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White House Denies Secession Petitions, Cites Civil War Deaths

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January 12th, 2013
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Director of Public Engagement for the White House, Jon Carson, finally responded to secession petitions on the White House website.

Instead of addressing each of the state petitions, of which there where several that met the 25,000 signature response level, he responded to an anti-secession petition titled “Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.”

Petitions for states to secede were denied citing that “more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States.”

The claim is that secession appears to not be allowed under the Constitution, and that the result of any such secession attempt would result in many dead Americans.

Here is the White House response in it’s entirety:

In a nation of 300 million people — each with their own set of deeply-held beliefs — democracy can be noisy and controversial. And that’s a good thing. Free and open debate is what makes this country work, and many people around the world risk their lives every day for the liberties we often take for granted.

But as much as we value a healthy debate, we don’t let that debate tear us apart.

Our founding fathers established the Constitution of the United States ‘in order to form a more perfect union’ through the hard and frustrating but necessary work of self-government. They enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot — a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all. But they did not provide a right to walk away from it. As President Abraham Lincoln explained in his first inaugural address in 1861, ‘in contemplation of universal law and of the Constitution the Union of these States is perpetual.’ In the years that followed, more than 600,000 Americans died in a long and bloody civil war that vindicated the principle that the Constitution establishes a permanent union between the States. And shortly after the Civil War ended, the Supreme Court confirmed that ‘[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.’

Although the founders established a perpetual union, they also provided for a government that is, as President Lincoln would later describe it, ‘of the people, by the people, and for the people’ — all of the people. Participation in, and engagement with, government is the cornerstone of our democracy. And because every American who wants to participate deserves a government that is accessible and responsive, the Obama Administration has created a host of new tools and channels to connect concerned citizens with White House. In fact, one of the most exciting aspects of the We the People platform is a chance to engage directly with our most outspoken critics.

So let’s be clear: No one disputes that our country faces big challenges, and the recent election followed a vigorous debate about how they should be addressed. As President Obama said the night he won re-election, ‘We may have battled fiercely, but it’s only because we love this country deeply and we care so strongly about its future.’

Although the secession movement stirred notable support among those who feel disenfranchised by the federal government, it’s unclear whether it would have been a positive exercise in sovereignty or used as a tool for divide-and-rule.

At any rate, it appears that the Obama Administration is not going to let states out of the Union, at leat  not without a fight.

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  • GrandpaSpeaks

    So who are the united independent States the Declaration of Independence refers to? Whose duty is it to define tyranny?

    • CKMARTIN

      It is not up to the President to grant us ”permission” to leave the union, it is up to the legislation to file a bill and vote on it then the people of each state gets to vote on secession and then prepare to do it! Trust me, Obama needs us more than we need him, especially Texas!

  • rf

    What? Now all of a sudden the Constitution means something to this administration.

    • Anonymous

      Absolutely right.they just pick and choose which one of the amendments they want to uphold

    • superdave:-)

      The Constitution has never meant anything to those in power…bottom line: Don’t be a sucker and allow yourself to be bound by any law or dictate by government or people. Live a life consistent with God’s ten commandments and disregard the rest

      • Jean

        Superdave,
        We cannot meet those demands and remain free men.
        Not even with the refinement of “Thous shalt not kill,” to “Thou shalt not commit murder.” Just can’t enforce laws that rely on an omnipotent, omniscient god from beyond, who – as far as any rational person can tell – has done NOTHING for about 2,000 years, assuming he did something then.

        IF it is up to us, we MUST be “free” to deviate from the Laws. We must also accept the costs.

        Without meaning offense: Your response above? Is exactly what TPTB really want: apathetic, “do nothing” in a sense.You’ve been caged by the one half of the double-entrapment; the government’s Byzantine laws are the other, and ensnare a large portion of the population who would otherwise be both good citizens and good “christians” (Christians in quotes and lower-case because they need not ascribe to Christianity – could be pagans or atheists as well – but would still be living Christian principles.)

    • SKIP

      rf, I was thinking the same thing. It appears that the constitution is only a meaningful document when it fits the black muslim’s regime’s agenda. Beyond that need it is VOID WHERE PROHIBITED BY LAW

    • CKMARTIN

      The constitution only means something to them when it fits their needs, otherwise, they wouldn’t give a damn.

  • H.Nelson

    DC cannot afford (literally) to allow states to leave. Each and every state is a money making operation to which fills the coffers of the feds.

    I don’t look at it as succession, but more of a divorce. It’s a classic case of a hard working man making big dollars with a wife that spends every nickle on pedicures, designer clothes and expensive jewelery. When her lifestyle is not being fulfilled, she whines and complains. So long Bitch! Find a new sugar daddy!

    • David

      Wow H Nelson!! Lol that’s rich!! So true, great way to put it!!

    • Jean

      You omitted the quid pro quo in the analogy – that the Feds kick back lots of Pork and entitlements.
      Not sure that part fits in well, but need to keep it in mind. We pay taxes; states pay to the Feds; Feds give back to the states in extortion, for example: States must maintain federal highways, but the Feds will pay for the work – IF and ONLY IF the State does as told and kisses federal ass.

      Need to keep that entanglement in mind, is all. Great analogy, except it doesn’t cut deep enough. ;-) At the same time she’s blowing it all, she’s blowing the biker across the street…

  • will

    with all of their talk about the “constitution”, you’d think they’d abide by it instead of trying to infringe on our 2nd amendment, “constitutional” rights.

  • L.A.

    Well, Texas is, of all the states, probably the most well equipped to fight for their right to secede.

    • Joe Barr

      I remember hearing or reading that when Texas join the Union that part of the deal was they had the right to leave if they saw fit.

      • SKIP

        I believe that right is in all of the various state’s constitution though I could be wrong.

        • Jean

          Sorry, Skip – most states didn’t think there’d be a need to explicitly state that if they were abused, they would have a means to peacably leave.

          Texas was a little smarter, as I understand it – and was, in fact,a NATION before becoming a State.

  • Kulafarmer

    This is the thing, these top level officials figure when the bullets start flying, theyll kill off half or more of us patriots, then the rest theyll exterminate, after witch theyll give the unemployeds our jobs, homes, and savings divvied up, economic and dissent problem solved!
    Sound far fetched? Dont kid yourself, people actually thought that Adolf Hotler was going to save Germany! That was less than 100 years ago, our own political elite are completely out of touch with OUR realities.
    Keep your eyes and ears open folks, histor has a tendency of repeating itself.

    • Jean

      Yeah, it worked out SO well for the South Africans when they killed and drove off the Whites there… The Do-Nothings ALWAYS will be weaker – even Nelson Mandella knew THAT. (Now he’s too weak to change things… PArty corrupted from within. Just like our parties here.)

    • David

      It took 18 days for the people of Egypt to take down their government, and they were unarmed. It will take HOURS to bring the US government to it’s knees. we are armed to the teeth. This is NOT Germany. The revolution will be bloody and VERY fast.

  • wes

    So they would kill half the population so as to not divide the union ? Doesn’t sound like “United” to me.

    Sounds like “usuary” of the populace through intimidation.

    • SKIP

      “THEY” will kill of us that “THEY” have to to stay in power and continue to advance islam and BRA. We coulda been on Mars, Jupiter, Uran…..not there, Pluto ….

  • J C

    The Feds see the states as mere subjects who ultimately have no choice in the matter, some freedom.

    True freedom is just that, I am free to disassociate myself from someone else. If someone threatens that then they wish to enslave.

    Just because the North won the civil war doesn’t justify keeping the states enslaved to the blood and freedom-sucking Capitol District.

    If the people of ANY state vote to secede, they should be allow to do so, unmolested. If not, tyranny is at hand and armed secession is righteous.

    • Jean

      Excellent.

  • Storm

    The Civil War did not prove that the Federals have the right to use force to keep the Union together. It proved that the Federal government can be, was, and is, an organized crime cartel. Usurper Barry Soetoro needs to read Di Lorenzo.

    P.S. Soetoro is threatening to make war on us!

  • ncjoe

    Perhaps all these seccionists should follow their own advice of “America, Love It Or Leave It.” If they are so unhappy, take their crazy someplace else to live and leave us sane people in peace.

    • Jean

      Joe,
      Are you considered “sane” because you take your meds like a good little subject?

      Some of us still have our balls, thank you.

      I agree, BTW, with the sentiment of leaving. Please suggest where freedom-loving peoples can go that they are not under surveillance and subject to rendition for crimes real or imagined? That sort of government is in place everywhere except the Sahara and Antarctic. And with rendition on the table, with ex-post-facto laws being introduced – no place on Earth is safe until we depose the tyrants.

      The oddest part to me is, people who think like you do – that we should roll over and take it – are the same ones who scream for enforcement of draconian laws (examples: Divorce, DUI, Abortion, anti-Second Amendment, educational restrictions – like what we are allowed to learn about, and what “facts” we are allowed to learn, REGARDLESS of the history) – Yet we “evil” “racist” “oppressors” are perfectly willing to let YOU live in OUR country, saying what you wish, debating the topics, even arguing AGAINST the very things that make us free. We shield you; you’d knife us in the back given a half-chance, and a lollipop from Mother Russia’s – I mean, Uncle Sam’s jackbooted enforcers.

      Funny how we “violent” “Clingers” (Religion and guns comment by Barry) are so willing to live and let live – yet leftists want to shut us down because we don’t agree.

      Makes me want to prove those leftists right, one headshot at a time…

  • Storm

    ncjoe,You leave!

    You are a low information voter. I guess that you must be somewhat literate because you wrote a couple of sentences, idiotic as they are. I do not understand why you don’t leave and go to communist China with all of the other state worshiping coercive collectivists otherwise known as communists. A collectivist is a collectivist is a collectivist.

    My family has been here for 400 years and I am not going to leave because some new mojado upstart anti freedom fighter demands it.

    Try reading DiLorenzo, too! It might strain your cognitive skills, though.

    Also, I am worried about your health, go see a doctor about your cerebral distension due to intracranial flatulence. Take better care of yourself.

  • Storm

    P.S. That East Coast and Washington beltway abomination of a Federal Government usurpation of truly legitimate government is not America and has no business dictating to real Americans. Zimbabwean government does not belong in North America and it had better leave!

  • Storm

    Zimbabwean government does not belong in North America.

  • johnny

    obama is a homosexual, nwo sock puppet, and is not our legal president.
    we don’t want his gun control, gay marriage, or global government agenda.

    the fed thugs are preparing for all out war on us and they will start with suspending the constitution.

    prepare now.

  • SKIP

    NOOYAWK CD just passes or has nearly finished passing a rather ruthless gun law! I still believe this is not going to end well for our erstwhile Republic.

  • johnny

    That sick slime in the white house has no authority over us and we are not under his command. He can send his mercenary thugs to wage war on us and we will kill every last one of them.

    Start forming hunter killer teams to take out the tyrants.
    UN troops are coming and you had better be ready to fight. This coming civil war is real.

    Anyone serving in federal forces should get the hell out now and return home. We need you here in america, not fighting some nwo war overseas.

    Do not allow your children to join any federal army other than to aquire weapons for the resistance and then go AWOL.

  • Jimmy Dufant Rogers

    No more gun laws !

  • Obama

    I truly regret that i must disarm all you white hicks. We must create a new world order founded upon the principles of love and understanding.

  • Heimdall

    @ Obama

    My prediction is that “hicks” will defeat city slicker commie traitor scum every time. Hicks will control the countryside, hicks will surround and choke off the cities. Hicks will always win.

    As for Obama, Obama is:

    -ineligible to hold the presidency
    -a user of multiple stolen social security numbers
    -a George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski marionette
    -a communist (but willing to work for fascists and Wall Street organized criminals)
    -an organized criminal
    -a foreigner
    -a criminal conspirator in the murder of State Department personnel in Benghazi
    -a vote fraud stealer of elections
    -a fraud in every claim that he has made
    -a disbarred lawyer
    -a racist (anti-white), as are ALL of his followers
    -pussy whipped (communist wh*** and organized criminal Jarett)
    -a long term project of communist terrorists (Ayers et. al.) and fascist organized criminals (Soro, Brzezinski)
    -planning a genocide (see Ayers plans for reeducation camps and killing millions of non-communists)
    -a consumer of drone murder porn

  • Amanda

    Why don’t we just have a civil war and settle it!? It would fix a lot of problems!

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