When They Come For Your Guns, You Will Turn Them Over
Jim Karger
The Daily Reckoning
August 16th, 2012
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“When they come for my gun, they will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands,” is a common refrain I often hear from the Tea Partiers when there is a threat, credible or otherwise, that the US government is going to take their firearms.
And, when I hear this crazy talk, I agree with them openly. “You are right. They will pry your gun from your cold dead hands,” which I often follow with the question, “And where will that leave you except face down in a pool of your own blood [in] the middle of the street, just another dead fool resisting the State?”
This is not a question they are comfortable with, if only because the intent of their saber-rattling was to imply they would fight to keep their weapons, and win.
Nice fantasy. It’s not happening.
If the federal government decides to disarm the public, and when the increasingly-militarized rolls down your street after a not-so-subtle request that you kindly turn over your firearms and ammunition “for the common good,” it will be nothing less than suicide by cop to do anything other than what you are told.
The militarization of US police forces is ongoing and escalating. Many cities and towns now own tanks, armed personnel carriers, even attack helicopters, and almost all are outfitted with military weapons not available to the general public.
And, it is not just your hometown cops who are getting new boy-toys. The military itself is buying up weaponry not just for use in the current or next scheduled war, but to deal with the likes of you, citizens who don’t seem to understand that the Bill of Rights has been overruled, and that specifically includes, but is not limited to, the right to protest and engage in civil disobedience.
Also ignored (as if it didn’t even exist) is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 which generally bars the military from law enforcement activities within the United States.
According to Public Intelligence:
“…for the last two years, the President’s Budget Submissions for the Department of Defense have included purchases of a significant amount of combat equipment, including armored vehicles, helicopters and even artillery, under an obscure section of the FY2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for the purposes of ‘homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities.’ Items purchased under the section include combat vehicles, tanks, helicopters, artillery, mortar systems, missiles, small arms and communications equipment. Justifications for the budget items indicate that many of the purchases are part of routine resupply and maintenance, yet in each case the procurement is cited as being ‘necessary for use by the active and reserve components of the Armed Forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency responses, and providing military support to civil authorities’ under section 1815 of the FY 2008 NDAA.”
And, they are not just arming cops and weekend warriors for domestic purposes. Active duty Marines are now being trained for law enforcement operations all over the world (of which the US remains a part) specifically to deal with civil uprisings, and the US government knows that civil uprisings are coming to a town near you just as soon as the fantasy of a healing economy is shattered, the US dollar fails, and unemployment goes to 30%+ in real numbers.
And, to you tough-talking Neo-Cons with your AR-15 rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammo, here is the reality: they will take your guns, and no, all your Second Amendment bluster aside, you are not going to do anything about it. You are not going to take on a platoon of Marines with state-of-the-art automatic weapons and the best body armor you cannot buy protected by armed personnel carriers and attack helicopters unless you choose to die that day — for nothing. You will either be in the country or out, and if you are in, you will stay in and you will comply.
That is your choice… for the moment.
Regards,
Jim Karger
Jim Karger is a lawyer who has represented American businesses against incursions by government and labor unions for 30 years. In 2001, he left Dallas and moved to San Miguel de Allende in the high desert of central Mexico where he sought and found a freer and simpler life for he and his wife, Kelly, and their 10 dogs. Karger’s website is http://www.crediblyconnect.com
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I live in red neck central and know all the cops around here, state or otherwise, IF the military came to take the guns away, the cops around here aren’t going to comply either. Everyone in this area has guns gallore, so yes, I would LOVE to see them try. I can tell you this much, I WILL be taking some of them with me and so will every other redneck I know. Oh, and they can’t shoot or bomb us all.
Some clueless people I ask what would you do if the gov. Comes for your guns. They say it would never happen but if it does they said they would shoot.
Hum cant they find somewhere else for a war or dont they have a new vaccine or disease to create somewhere.
While at first, this article angered me, the reality is — he’s unfortunately right. What, you say? Yup, he’s right!
Over the last decade plus I have heard the rhetoric (and have been on the giving end as well), been embroiled in deep conversations with fellow preppers and Patriots, have blogged and commented on many a forum, have had phone calls with personal friends who are of like-mind, and have come to the same conclusion no matter how powerful the arguments were. And that conclusion is — the same as the writer of this article. Logically, we simply do not have a chance of winning. They know it, and we should know it!
Now you’re saying, “You’re no Patriot! You’re a loser and a traitor!” No, you’re wrong. Allow me to explain in short.
No matter the super tough-guy bantering or the hyperbole thrown around, one fact is unmistakably true. We have allowed TPTB to become such a powerful and dictatorial machine over the last 4 decades without truly trying to stop them in any realist way. Like it or not — WE are to blame! Yes it is also true that there are approximately 225,000,000 guns running around the USA in the hands of 80,000,000 or so legal gun owners, and 100′s of millions rounds of ammunition to go along with all these guns. So what? Even if we had a gun “behind every blade of grass”, do you really think that will stop TPTB with all of their technologies and massive firepower?
We need to STOP thinking about this from an emotional (and even Patriotic) standpoint, and think about this from a logical side!! Emotionally, you and I can say all we want that we will NEVER give up our rights, or give them our guns, or rhetoric like “I would rather die standing than serving man on my knees.” While I completely and wholeheartedly agree with these statements, I must as a thinking human being, STOP and realize there is so much more to this than simple statements and emotions. Logic MUST win the day here if we are to ever, I repeat… EVER, stand a chance against these evil people!
Look at this point of logic. Here we are, on this site and other Patriot sites, commenting, helping others, reading the news, and the like. But please be honest. Except for prepping, target practicing, commenting and maybe writing an occasional email to our “lords and masters” in Congress… what are we REALLY doing to bring about change? Heck, we can’t even come together as a coordinated group! Why? “We don’t know you, therefore we don’t trust you” is one excuse used by many, many groups. Well fine. Let’s go around letting paranoia destroy us while TPTB continue to use their refined plan of division to rape us of all of our rights eventually!!
Look, it will take a concerted effort by MILLIONS of Patriots in this nation to go against these tyrannical idiots! If we cannot come together, somehow, some way, very quickly — WE WILL LOSE!
Which do you want personally? Having your way and only allowing those with the mindset that YOU have to be heard and included into this fight? Or are YOU willing to see that diversification is a wonderful thing as long as the main goal of all involved is to WIN THE DAY? Paranoia will destroy ya, and self-centeredness will ultimately lead to ALL of our demise!
The choice is yours, and mine, to make. Which will it be?
i will fight, nuff said on that. i note that you say that we have “legal gun owners”. what is a legal gun owner but someone who asks the government for permission to bear arms when they say they can. please think on that, thats all i ask.
No sir! Legal meaning here, NON-criminal elements. Meaning you and me. LEGAL vs. ILLEGAL. “Nuff said”.
Im with you freedom fighter. I must protect my family and I damn well will try.
As must we all Ben. The question is how? Are you emotionally going to “charge” the enemy and lose your life and those of your compatriots along the way? Or are you going to plan, think, and execute a winning effort?
It will NOT be won with an attitude of one-on-one kill’em all thinking. It WILL be accomplished by an effort of unity and compliance to a PLAN!
the Turner Diaries comes to mind here.
National strike. Shut this mother down and don’t yield. TPTB have an Achilles heel, and it sure isn’t military.
Of course, that would require one hundred million so-called citizens to acknowledge there is a fundamental problem.
Good luck with that. Back to the show!
The Lack Of Food,Prescription Drugs,Cigaretts,Beer,and Things You Cant Mention,Will Cause Many Gun Owners,To Turn On Each Other.The Mensheviks Know This.The Chinese Bolsheviks In mexico Will Give The U.S.A 90 days To Thin Out The Population,Then Will Invade,With The Final Solution.
I have a big issue with Jim’s statement. First of all he’s a coward for leaving this land to “settle” in Mexico. That shows me he has little to no sense of pride left for this country. C’mon now, you’re a lawyer, a big shot, suit and tie wearing sheep. Most likely he doesn’t own any guns or give a rats a55 about our Constitution. I’m not sure what his goal was in writing this or who paid him for his nonsense, but it is because of overly compliant people like him that we will inevitably fall during a resistance against our leaders. There are a lot of other crazy folks like me that WILL NOT COMPLY. And hey, I might die in the process and I may or may not be able to take a few down with me, but at least I took a stab at making things easier for the next guy, and that guy can try and make it easier for the next one, and so on and so forth… HE HAS NO BUSINESS TELLING US WHAT WE WILL AND WILL NOT DO WHILE HE SITS BEHIND HIS COMPUTER IN MEXICO. But here, we will fight. I will not have my family sitting in some fema camp because Barack Hussein said so. Instead, myself and other like minded individuals will stand up and fight to take back the rights on which this Country was built. MOLON LABE!!
You win! You nailed it dead on buddy…But definitely give yourself more credit. Because I’m sure you will be able to take down more than just a few. Just don’t stay in the same spot.
Remember to shotgun their legs when they come and tap them again while they are down.
Just remember shotguns are only good for 35meters. About 40 yards. Use slugs and double xx buck shot. They won’t get up even if they are wearing vest. I can promise you that.
Wow, where the hell do I begin thrashing this fuckwit? Is this some inflammatory article written to only draw out resistors in order to make a nice and neat list? It must be, since there is no attachment to reality within it.
First, you’re completely leaving out the part where many people will have already, as in done and in the ground, have buried a good fair amount of shit. Second, nobody would play that stupid as to outright and openly resist anything. Third, does this fucking moron not see the sniper gallery that would develop over a move like this? Fourth, many of these same troops you refer to, would have a hard time with this and internal conflict would also ensue. No need to continue down the list as you should start to see where I’m going with this; the complexity does not stop.
There it is you pathtetic fucking twister of the law. You anti-Constitutional whore. It’s never a black and white issue you sad sack, but you already know that. Whatever the fuck this sorry article is supposed to be, only a chicken necked pussy would fall for it. Fuck you author, fuck you.
I don’t know, maybe you can start by not being a vulgar nitwit.
My point above proven once again. Thank you Joe for showing proof positive!
People still listening to this shill?
I agree with Tyler. Most people always say “What about your wife and kids?” During the revolution, the wife and kids had their own guns. Are we a society of cowards now? What happened to give me liberty or give me death?
Just as I stated above Jackie. IOW, it’s not a matter of if we are Patriotic or willing to fight. The point must be, HOW to do win the day. There is plenty of true Patriots today. There are few, if any, cowards in our ranks. But this is NOT 1770 my friend. This is a new world (think, NWO)! They (TPTB) have built their machine and have accomplished their NWO right under our noses! Traditional “fighting” with traditional arms will only go so far. I am not going to elaborate on that further. Use your imagination, think IRA for instance.
We are very capable of winning without doubt! Just NOT in the fashion that a lot of us seem to have stuck in our minds.
Yankee,
I hate to sound ugly but I don’t know how y’all think up there in yankee doodle dandy land but here in the south me and mine would rather be cold, dead, and six feet under than sitting in some “facility” like criminals for the rest of out lives. If you want to comply, go ahead. Just make sure you pack your blankie and teddy bear. Oh, and my “traditional” arms are just as good as theirs. Liberty or death is not just a phrase. The meaning is simple but importance is strong. Just ask yourself…really ask yourself… would you want to live the life of a slave, incarcerated in a camp that your hard earned tax dollars paid for, stripped of all liberties and anything close to being a luxury? Or would you give freedom a fighting chance? Seriously, play the scenario through your head and figure out if compliance is really in your best interest.
Did I EVER say, or write ANYTHING about compliance? Please read EVERY WORD of each of my comments. Do me that favor, please. Then come back and readdress me, OK?
Thanks in advance.
BTW, “Yankee” is just my ‘handle’. I use it as an example (that you freely proved works) of acceptance. Will the “South” accept the Patriot from the North or have crap to say in a superior manner? The truth be told Tyler, I am as Southern as you, if not more so. I live, and was raised, within the Dixie line of demarcation!
Look bud, I realize you never specifically said anything about compliance… but try and find where I quoted you using that word. Oh, and “more so” southern than me? Lousy effort on that cheap shot buddy. I have no interest in going back and forth with this. Bottom line is you think things will work out for the people only if we band together as a whole, which would be a good scenario, but it’s not happening. I on the other hand believe in just getting up and fighting against all odds no mater what, and that’s not just talk.
You need to take your EMOTIONS OFF your sleeve Sir. What is wrong with you?
And the Southern comment was not a slam toward you, it was a DEFENSE for ME! There’s a big difference. Surely you know the difference, right?
And Tyler, you are very, very right. It’s not going to happen. We will never get together. And why is that? Could it actually be that I may be right? That your emotions, and others emotions, are dictating their paths, their actions (or lack thereof), or what they type in response to people instead of reading the true meaning and understanding others points and opinions? Short answer, Yes!
There was no ill intentions toward you in my comment about my Yankee handle. I repeat this so you will reread it and understand that there is more than ONE WAY to read its meaning. (Once again proving my overall point of every one of my comments).
Our black muslim run government is all to willing to opt for option B.
I’m going to ambush them and kill them, I have a buddy who gets inside dirt. Me and my end will take out the entire patrol. We will know when it happens 1 week prior.
Me and a few guys I have on my team. Not sure how I got “end.”
This is a BS article. No matter what they have if enough people fight back they’ll be fighting bullets coming from every direction. Our cops and military are not invincible, far from it. Yes, they will probably kill me, but I will also leave many of them face down in their own blood too. Count on it. The American people have around 300 million firearms with around 30 billion rounds of ammo. I bet on us.
PS. THE AUTHOR IS A PUSSY COWARD.
PS 2 Body armor already bought. Head to toe from ebay, as good as anyone elses.
Another ‘proof-positive’ comment(s). Thank you. If we charge out with THIS attitude, it will be a very short and fruitless effort, guaranteed! I say this from being in this ‘movement’ for at least 2 decades and thinking in that exact same fashion. It will NOT work. Until we all get that, we are going to keep on jabbering about this and truly “do” nothing. Our rights and liberties will continue to be eroded one piece at a time without us doing anything but typing about it!
Keep your f ucking pie hole shut you stupid yank. You go ahead and start sucking dicks at the camp and Ill be busy doing something constructive.
Ben, I hereby give you the ” Thanks for just saying what was fixin to say” award! If all yankee doodles are like this one they will build up a good majority at America’s new “Happy Camps”
I have two full sets of the newest USMC armor including 2 extra sets of the plates and another set of smaller size for my wife.
Amazing! You all are again proving ALL of my points. It is an unfortunate thing too. With “friends” and compatriots like you two… we LOSE, and LOSE big!! You have NO understanding of military protocol and discipline. It’s a sad day if the majority here agree with you, and can’t see my points within ALL of my comments together!
Some of us here are veterans as well and just may understand a thing or two. Many in our military will not fire on us, many will. Itll probably be the biggest bloodbath in our history. If an armed squad approaches my home I will know it and they wont get within arms reach of the doors before they are killed because Im not the only one they will be fighting. Ambushes work wonders and if you think bullets will be the only thing patriots bring into play against our foes you are mistaken.
Guess what? You again proved my point. How about ASKING ME if I am a Vet? How about seeing things through another color than rose? How about seeing that while your points are valid, so are mine!!!???!!!
I will let you think about that a bit. Then maybe I’ll share with you what my past includes, as well as any possible service to my country. But, Sir, that shouldn’t really matter, now should it? Again, if you’re going to find a way to DIVIDE instead of finding common ground, then you are another proof of everything I’ve said. Sorry to say, you are the stereotypical Patriot in our movement today. One that would have been asked to “dismiss yourself, Sir, from this table” in our Founding Days by true heroes that not only understood that fighting would be necessary but that knowing the human spirit was just as, if not more, important!
You are obviously dreaming about a peaceful resolution to a fight between good and evil. Dream on if it makes you feel better, yank. I hope you join the rest of us in reality soon.
Don’t let them get so close Lapua .338 and the new ammo with a rated velocity of 5300fps should work wonders for keeping criminals at longer range. I’m wondering how it kicks when the trigger is pulled on a bolt action rifle. I seriously think that the greater menace may be from the roving armed gangs of “urban youth” leaving the big cities when the EBT cards stop giving the freebies and they leave to do their usual looting, robbing, pillaging, burning, murdering and raping wherever they go.
Yank, sorry to say it man but your “proven points” wont help you when SHTF. Look, you could be right about some things, I don’t know. But when all this mess goes down, those of us who fight with lead and brass and half a mind will be the ones who really make a difference.
Really? Prove it please. What ‘battle’ can you point to in our Revolutionary War where the ‘battles’ were won by the few? Meaning, where did the “Lone Wolf” attitude ever win?
Also, please point out where I said, or inferred, that I would not fight — even if I was alone? Are you reading my full comments? I never said anything of the sort. So please understand my overall meaning, and not what you read into them. Thanks!
Why would the government want to disarm the people? For things far worse than death ! Any person that does not realize this is a fool or a party to the crimes against man that are planned. But, to give the writer credit, he is right that any one that bugs in will die quickly when they try to resist. But he is not a student of history either! The first tyrannical govt that tried this got there butts kicked by guerilla war fair even though they were far better equipped, trained and more techy. And it will not be Americans but rather blue hats and we will steal their equipment and use it against them. Our military would have a civil war internally if they killed to get our guns! His main gist was ” it is futile to resist, lay down and we will end you quickly if you are not slave material” the sleepers have been activated and violence will be everyday soon till November.
I applaud your comments.
Let me ask though — what about the Brits were ‘more techy’ than the American citizen? Did they not fight the Continental Army toe-to-toe in British fashion? At first this was OUR tactics. It didn’t work though, did it? Then came the, as you put it, ‘guerilla’ tactics. This is my overall point! Too many of us within the Patriot Movement are like I was, and like Johnd24 and Ben are for instance (no disrespect intended, just using you all as examples). This attitude toward our coming fight will not bring victory.
Let me ask this — please be honest, 100% honest — (and I ask this from a standpoint of having been there and having thought that). What percentage of people do you know just want to “get it on” or say “come and get it – MOLON LABE!)? Most of them I bet. Then ask yourself this question… How? Is there a concerted, orchestrated, practiced and universally accepted method, plan or SITREP? NO! Like I’ve said, we chat, we type, we email. Where is a nationwide movement to SHOW OUR STRENGTH? To show our resolve? To show TPTB that if they continue this crap what THEY will face? They’ve got us just where they want us! They’ve got us trapped in our houses, in the shadows, making empty threats and promises. The victory will come to our side when the SEE us, and when the FEEL our response! I’m not talking violence, I’m talking a show of “force” THEY understand, and NO not a TEA Party gathering either!
I truly hope this is starting to make sense to all concerned.
An unarmed show of force is absolutely insane against the most evil people this planet has ever seen.
Thanks Ben. You are right. I was hoping someone would catch that point and comment on it.
Reread it again. “They’ve got us just where they want us! They’ve got us trapped in our houses, in the shadows, making empty threats and promises. The victory will come to our side when the SEE us, and when the FEEL our response! I’m not talking violence, I’m talking a show of “force” THEY understand, and NO not a TEA Party gathering either!”
What does that really say? Did I say an ‘unarmed’ show of force? Nope. Think OUT of the box. How have “they” cornered us, got us where they want us? Why can’t WE do the same? Remember, we must be willing to give “our lives, our treasures, and our sacred honor” if we are to win the day? Has anyone thought about pooling our monies and launching a campaign (of whatever means, be it billboards, newspaper ads, TV commercials, whatever) showing OUR resolve, making the SEE us, and FEEL the fear of the possibility of our final response?
IOW, where is our George Washington, our John or Quincy Adams? They were THINKERS! Not only Patriotic and heroic. Now, it’s our turn. Are we going to come together and step up to the plate and think like our enemy thinks and outwit them playing their own games?
I don’t know, maybe it’s too late. Maybe there is no thinkers any longer. We’ve probably all been so brainwashed that it’s a hopeless cause.
I dont disagree with this last statement you made,Yank, but an armed show of force would take us all away from our families and homes leaving them unprotected and giving the evil ones a huge target they could destroy all at once.
We are just as the CSA was, too noble, we do not want to start it or take it them. Which is wise. We must wait till they make the overt and undeniable move, as in small arm confiscation. When that happens you should know what to do and who to Operate with. Think movie wise: patriot, red dawn, terminator mixed together. The show of force as in go to washington mall 10,000 strong with guns would bring a WWI vet response. Bad.a true show of force would be states like Wyoming and others buying aircraft and carriers tanks, artillery, having weapons manufacturers in state only sales, etc. State draft of militia. More states with fuzzies to say no thanks Feds we do not need and we will not pay! N
Count me in with Tyler
Saddle up!
Some things are worse than death Mr Karger; giving up one’s liberty and living next to cowards like yourself.
Thanks for NOTHING!
I may go down in a “blaze of glory” (or false glory as you might say) but I won’t have my name associated with cowards, defectors or traitors.
im old school 11 bravo strait leg and it does not matter because if you do turn them over you are going to end up in a camp. my father was snatched up by the germans in 39 – 45 as forced laber and i sure as hell wont repeat what hell he went through!!!!!!!
We are just as the CSA was, too noble, we do not want to start it or take it them. Which is wise. We must wait till they make the overt and undeniable move, as in small arm confiscation. When that happens you should know what to do and who to Operate with. Think movie wise: patriot, red dawn, terminator mixed together. The show of force as in go to washington mall 10,000 strong with guns would bring a WWI vet response. Bad.a true show of force would be states like Wyoming and others buying aircraft and carriers tanks, artillery, having weapons manufacturers in state only sales, etc. State draft of militia. More states with fuzzies to say no thanks Feds we do not need and we will not pay! Now my personal belief, I may be wrong, and the atheist do not want to hear it, is this is Biblical. Which if you are a wise man you can figure certain dates and the first was correct. The second falls very closely to other cultures past and present.
Nobody here ever hear of IEDs? One person may not be able to stand up to a platoon of well armed Marines etc but if enough citizens rise up and fight a war like the Muslims do we can at least mire them down long enough to have a fighting chance.
There are books still available from the army that show how. Get now before censored like anarchist cook book!
I know all to well the effectiveness and destructive capability of IEDs, VBIEDs and just plain old ambushes of unprepared troops marching along predetermined and predictable routes. These tactics WILL be used.
No… I will not.
In other words, Mr. Karger:
“F*** you.”
Your move.
-Uzziel-
III
PS: Besides, who said that *we* would hurry up and wait for them to arrive…?
Some of the bullets will go through buildings. Someone is nuttier than the mentally ill they imagine are after them. Why dont they just fix the problems they caused? I do not think the people deserve this.
For all their military firepower and might, the fear of an IED and someone with the will to resist even if that means death will forever haunt many in uniform. As many weapons and access to military grade hardware that exists in the black markets here on US soil, we the American people can fight back. Like in all wars before, our air power has been the dominance, but aircraft can be taken care of, after that the grunts on the ground and their tanks, etc. can be disposed of with effort. Soldiers have loyalty to nothing but their damn paychecks and the moment they get scared or a few of them get killed, they become a bunch of unorganized shit for brains. I used to wear their uniform. America DOES have a chance.
Like on all sites you have the trolls and goblins who duty lies with evil, and the powers to be. Funny how they always want to put one in a position that they can never accomplish anything as the government is all powerful and all encompassing. Many forget that the majority of the enemy will be just as scared when the bullets come their way. When an accomplished sniper comes out of retirement, and decimates a small platoon, when individuals walk along a safe avenue, and a well place rounds explodes an seemingly safe wall, only to have it explode and kill or injure many, there starts to develope within the mind of combatants that it will not be a walk in the park. It was said once that if everyone who had an SS soldier walk up to their house had shot them, then the rounding up of citizens would have been much different. Look at the people who were taken to areas to be shot dead. The damn guards held weapons on them that were on safe, but the good little citizens went to their deaths without a whimper. Least we not forget that these fools have to have a supply line, destroy or interupt it, and their equipment, food, and supplies whither on the vine. Will all of this be easy, hell no, and many will lose their lives. In the end, it is those who value freedom, and won’t mind chopping off a few heads that will win the day. I for one am old enough that if my ticket is punched, oh well I’ve lived a good life, seen war up close and personal in SE Asia, dealth with criminals for 30 years and have enjoyed my kids and grandkids. All that said, I will fight for the freedoms that have made this country great. Those who spout vile from cowardly, yellow bellied mouths makes me sick. Those that spew that drivel are in leagues with or adhere to the philosophy of the enemies. If you come around me, prepare yourself, for you will not like what you find. I need not say anything to anyone around me, for I have gone gray, and have been preparing for the days to come for over 20 years, so don’t you gutless shitheads tell me or others like me that we won’t do what is necessary when the time comes.
ROGER THAT Steve.
HEY! perhaps some of us could make a Saudi or Cartel connection and start having that same military heavy ordnance smuggled to us as both of those entities with to overthrow our government. I don’t want to ovethrow the government, I want to change it, but the constitution does allow violence in needed to redress wrongs done by the gubming.
I’m glad the signers of the Declaration of Independance didn’t think like you.
Yank doesn’t get it…some of us have been preparing for years now and fly under the radar. Cowards like this are dangerous to the rest of us.
The author of this shit stain needs to grow a backbone, fuck him.