These Two Businesses Did NOT Get Looted… Can You Guess Why?

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(Pictured: Mike Gutierrez (left) and Adam Weinstein (third from left) brought guns to guard their store during the riots in Ferguson last night.)

While scores of businesses in Ferguson were being looted by out of control rioters Sunday night, a couple of them went the evening without incident.

If you’re wondering why, then check out the following picture for the answer.

Nobody is robbing St. Louis Ink Tattoo Studio anytime soon. Or County Guns, for that matter.

The two north county businesses share a storefront in a Florissant strip mall less than ten minute drive from the epicenter of last night’s riots in Ferguson.

After hearing of the roving bands of looters, Mike Gutierrez knew he had to protect his tattoo shop. He brought a posse with him, including Adam Weinstein, owner of County Guns, who was acutely worried about criminals getting their hands on his merchandise.

“We didn’t want them coming in here and then running around with a bunch of free guns,” Weinstein told Daily RFT when we arrive at the store around 12:30 a.m. this morning. Weinstein was outfitted with an assault rifle, pistol and tactical vest. Gutierrez cradled his own rifle in his hands.

(Via Riverfront Times)

It turns out that when violent looters come face to face with people prepared to kill to defend their property, the looters tend to choose a ‘safer’ target.

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  • Rick E.

    Because they had passed a rubicon of enlightenment, and these folks behaving badly all of a sudden decided to change their lives?
    NO? Shucks!

  • amongoose

    Kind of like those Koreans in L.A.
    You can say stop, alto, nyet, but the business end of a large caliber handgun or a 12 ga. is pretty much universally understood.

    • disqus_3BrONUAJno

      Why would you expect asian immigrants to understand english, spanish, or russian?

      • amongoose

        Was referring to the Korean shopowners on their roofs with now banned evil rifles sending a “no looting” message in 1992.
        .

        • disqus_3BrONUAJno

          Most of the asians I’ve encountered in southern California are multilingual after a few years there, if they didn’t arrive that way.

  • cold340t

    I get robbed, I make inventory list and Police report. Then send it to my Insurance Rep. I then I get paid for MOST of my losses. Killing/maiming someone for stealing a iPod etc. really? I understand protecting ones Business. But, when they break through, I’m outta there! Get real LIFE is a ONE TIME EXPERIENCE. I give it up for NO Material Items. Nor would I, in a case like this KILL over Material Goods!
    Good for these People, they didn’t have to do more then Be Threatening. But, shouldn’t a GUN STORE be SECURE ON IT’S OWN? I mean what does this say about the Security of this GUN SHOP to begin with? Maybe it should have better Security in the first place. it sells guns and ammo, Right? Get in by breaking a window really? Real thieves know now how insecure it is. A Gun Store!
    I get it, not All Business pay their Insurance as they should and feel the need to Physically Protect their Inventories. But, is a persons life really worth taking? To protect a Store? Often one paying minimum wage to the “protector” Employee? A Family I understand,YES! But, a Store etc. non-living Material item, NO!

    • moovova

      We appreciate your input, and wholeheartedly agree with your course of action. You see, cannon fodder/low-hanging fruit like you gives the looters easy pickings. And, while they are stripping you bare, we will have more time to gear up and make ready for their ill fated attack.

      PLEASE…keep doing what your doing.

      Thank you!

      • cold340t

        I will keep on keepn’ on! Thanks! Been pretty successful so far.
        So, you think a Gun Store that is NOT SECURE is ok? Gee, I wonder how so many guns get to the Street so easily? Could it be because Gun Shops aren’t secure? Seems like it is the case doesn’t it?

        • sianmink

          Security isn’t binary. Someone breaks into a gun store and gets a couple of hours to work unmolested, you can get into some quite ‘secure’ containers.

          • cold340t

            If that is so, that security isn’t issue. Then why did they have to come to protect the Gun Shop? Just saying, that if the Shop had effective security then there would have been no to “protect” it. Right? Did ALL the Bank Managers have to “protect” their Banks? Get my point?

          • sianmink

            Police will respond quite promptly to a bank alarm to protect federally insured money. A privately owned gun store in the middle of a riot? Not so much. I have to ask, do you WANT criminals to arm themselves at the expense of private business?

          • cold340t

            Why wouldn’t the Cops respond quickly to a Gun Shop alarm? Are you kidding they know those guns could be used against them, along with Us. Do you want criminals getting access to guns because the Gun Shop Owner failed to have ADQUIT SECURITY in the first place? that is what you are saying.

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            Why did the cops do the buys for Eric Holder?

          • cold340t

            Answer? Cause I don’t know. I do know that Fast & Furious started under Bushjr./Cheney and Obama just let it keep rolling.

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            Eric Holder started out working for W the Dumber?

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            You’d have to find a bank with enough money to interest a common criminal.

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            Is security hexadecimal?

    • Wayne Downey

      ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ PUSSY RIGHT THERE FOLKS! ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

      The main reason this country is in the state it is!

      • cold340t

        Hey, Suit Up Buddy, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and the Ukraine are waiting for your arrival. Go get em’ Slambo!

    • BeGe1

      Life is a one time experience. Which is why I would kill to protect the business that I’ve sacrificed years of my life to build and intend as my livelihood for the rest of my life. And I don’t think you really own a business if you think that money is all it takes to rebuild one that’s been gutted and burnt to the ground. That’s the sort of thing that takes years of effort to recover from back to your previous state.

      The belief that nothing in this world is worth fighting for, especially things like protecting what you own and your livelihood from those that would destroy it, is the kind of societal rot that leads to this sort of behavior in the first place.

      As for the security of the gun store…even Ft. Knox needs guards on duty, buddy. Leave a place unguarded and people CAN get in. Security methods slow people down and alert you so that people with guns have time to show up (and it seems like the normal people for that [police] aren’t exactly available for every instance of this right now). Get your head out of your arse and live in the real world.

      • cold340t

        Would you really kill some one over material goods? Really? All this big talk, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Ukraine are ALL waiting for your arrival so you can follow through on your words. You haven’t ENLISTED yet? Why not?
        Oh, and how many successful robberies have occurred at Fort Knox?
        Material goods are not worth taking or risking a life. Ask the Good Samaritan who was killed trying to stop shooters in Las Vegas a few weeks back. He couldn’t follow through and was killed by the other assailant not in his gun sights.

        • BeGe1

          Straw man after straw man.

          My business and life are not in any of those nations. I talk about protecting my livelihood and you talk about going across the world. How is that even related? Are you following logic at all?

          I dunno, how many have occurred at Ft. Knox…WITH 24 HOUR GUARD. I just pointed out that actual people defending are a necessary component to any security and that none can be secure without it, and you respond with the implication that a place with actual people defending hasn’t been robbed? Did you just not think that through or are you genuinely that unable to follow logic?

          And then the stuff about someone somewhere dying while protecting property. Are you still not following the logic? A BUSINESS IS YOUR LIFE’S WORK. You talk about property as if it represents nothing. Would I fight over a pez dispenser? No. Risk vs. reward not worth it. Would I fight over my business? Yes. I spent decades of MY LIFE building it and will rely on it for decades of MY LIFE to come, and they want to destroy it.

          It’s easy to talk about “just property” when you’re totally clueless about how much of your life has to be sacrificed for a certain collection of “just property”, and how much your continued livelihood relies on it. For every example of someone dying to protect that life’s work there’s 100+ of people succeeding. I’ll take those odds any day, because my life’s work is worth protecting. I guess you’ve never done anything in your life that is worth that, and therefore all you have to protect is more time for conversion of O2 into CO2. That sounds pitiful to me, but I guess if that’s your choice, it’s yours to make. But I accomplish things with my life, and I protect those things as well.

          • cold340t

            Taking a life to “protect” your material goods isn’t protecting your livelihood. Yes, my business’s are my lives work. When they have been robbed I file a claim with Insurance along with Police report and that is that. Now, if your talking about killing someone for taking the last slice of pizza when they know there is no more. Should they be killed because you are afraid you might go hungry? Didn’t think so. It is just material goods, we can’t take it with us when we die and the way the laws are nowadays. We can’t count on leaving it for our Families either.
            Like I said go on on over to Iraq et al. if you think killing is easy.

          • sianmink

            The folks in the above photo don’t need to kill anyone to protect their livelihoods. Just as the Korean shopowners in LA demonstrated, the simple presence of an armed threat is enough to make the looters move on and look for easier pickings.

          • cold340t

            That is TRUE! However, killing someone over material goods because they aren’t deterred is another matter, Killing some one is just not in most of Us as human beings. Even for those who Enlist, as some of you keyboard Commando’s should have done already!
            I see “easy pickings” everyday when Gentrifiers move in my neighborhood and don’t care to know their Neighbors until they get robbed. Then they want the rest of us to pay for Private Security, because they have such little Spacial Awareness when they are doing their thing. And ignoring those of us who do make effort to interact.

          • BeGe1

            And yet another couple straw men. “for taking the last slice of pizza” … are you serious? We’re talking about roaming mobs of people that are smashing in windows, gutting everything inside, and burning the buildings down. How about you stay on topic here? Or do you just realize that if you stay on topic, you have no leg to stand on, so you change it as much as you can?

            And back to the Iraq thing…seriously? What does going to Iraq have to do with defending my business? Nothing, that’s what. Another straw man because you have nothing to stand on on this topic. I have shot a robber before, one coming into my house, not by business. He survived, but I’d do it again even if I knew he wouldn’t. It is their own decision to put others in a place to fear for their lives and livelihoods, it is their own decision to make a situation where their lives may very likely end. I feel no guilt for simply having been the end result of the decisions they made to do harm to the lives and/or livelihoods of others.

          • cold340t

            killing someone over material goods? Are you serious! Quit smoking that Straw Man!

          • BeGe1

            Killing someone over a livelihood that took decades to build and that I rely on for my living and that they are attempting to destroy…yes I am serious.

            And in the biggest straw man of all…what does police militarization have to do with ME protecting MY business? And the guy I shot was white, so *waves hand* this is not the race card you are looking for. I’m protecting my business from people there to destroy it, not from certain concentrations of pigments, and not from militarized police.

            And again, as multiple people have tried to tell you, a place being secure ALWAYS requires at very least a response of humans that will come to stop those breaking in. No building can just be left unattended while people have all the time they want to break in and be expected to stop people indefinitely. Even Ft. Knox needs actual people there guarding it, as did the gun store. This assertion that the man needing to come defend his gun store somehow means he had inadequate security is based on pure ignorance on your part.

          • cold340t

            Look after Loma Preita quake, no one was rushing to save BofA or any banks etc. During the Oakland Hills fire the looters came out in droves…..ALL RACES were represented. Still no one ran to save the Banks in Montclair nor the Local at the time Gun Shop. There was concern about the “Gun Shops” using Home addresses though. However, the Gun Shops in Oakland have/had Security that rivaled Ft.Knox and yes, if you tried to rob them you probably would get shot. Because you would only be able to rob them when they were OPEN. When the Shops closed, you weren’t get anything period. So, I have seen first hand VERY SECURE GUN SHOPS. It is possible, they SELL GUNS for Christ sake! Guns kill when held by People.
            Killing over material goods, better be because there is no other alternative. You keyboard Assassin’s should ENLIST if you truly believe in killing for basically money or material goods. It’s not too late to enlist!

          • BeGe1

            Wow…you know that after the Loma Preita quake there wasn’t any looting…right? Crime rates actually went down while everyone recovered from that.

            The Oakland Hills fires had small instances of looting of homes in the residential areas that got evacuated by people that entered the areas by posing as volunteers there to help. In this scenario…where’s all these Ft. Knox gun stores that are actually more secure than Ft. Knox because they don’t even need responses to people attempting break ins? Oh yeah, that’s right…you’re making them up.

            Sooo…basically I’m calling bull on everything you just said.

            Again, what does enlistment have to do with protecting my business? How exactly would I run my business while in the military? How exactly would me joining the military help protect my business?

            To be honest, your attitude in this is a bit offensive toward military people. They sign up to protect our nation and way of life, to sign a blank check up to and including their life in service. And you’re spouting about how it’s just about some desire to kill people? I know a lot of military people (have a few former ones as employees), and I’m pretty sure acting like that around them would be a good way to tick off quite a few vets. Being in the military is about service, not about killing. They only kill when that’s part of the service, and train for that possibility. You need to lose the offensive attitude towards our military personnel, bud.

            Funny thing is, I live in a county that has its fair share of problems. Lots of drug issues, sheriff just shut down a few meth labs just these last weeks. And yet, if you look back at the last 5 years or so of crime rates, you wanna know the homicide rates? Zero. Not close to zero…actual zero. Wanna know the robbery rates? Zero. Not close to zero…actual zero. When you live in a place where people are willing to use such force to protect themselves and their property, guess what? People don’t go around preying on each other! Even in economically bad areas with drug problems…preying on other humans just doesn’t make its way into the culture.

            When you get people like you that pretty much say “it’s not worth hurting anyone!” that’s when the culture of preying on others thrives, homicide rates go up, violent crime goes up. Attitudes like yours allow the creation of violent criminal culture problems. A willingness to use such force to protect the life and property of the innocent present in society in general (as opposed to just handed over to law enforcement as violence by proxy that you’re unwilling to do yourself) leads to safer societies. So I guess you’ll never have to worry about violent old me shooting people to protect my business, because ironically enough when you have enough people like me making up the grand majority of a population looting never becomes an issue in the first place, and our violence-in-the-name-of-protection is an answer held in reserve to a question that pretty much never gets asked. It’s only when people like you start to become the majority in an area that a criminal culture of preying on others takes hold in the first place.

          • cold340t

            Hey, There was some looting after Loma Preita. Yes. there will always be opportunist. Hill’s Fire, watched my house burn down on Strathmore as I ate breakfast. Lots of Looters, I took pics. as they drove by my Parents house going toward the fire. Most of my life long Neighbors were burned out of neighborhood, And How many times has Ft. Knox been robbed again?
            My attitude toward the Militaray is that they need to be respected for their Service. Treated for their wounds and retrained for civil employment. Are those things happening? No! They can’t even get treated for their injuries upon coming home. So, who is disrespecting the Troops?
            Militarization of Civilian Cops. is an issue that we all are NOT SUPPORTIVE OF! That is MOST AMERICANS don’t approve. Glad you do!
            Yawn, TTFN!

          • BeGe1

            It’s like you have zero ability to reason or follow logic.

            Saying things like Ft. Knox hasn’t been robbed. So…..I’m arguing that no matter what, any security system needs a human element to respond. You’re saying it doesn’t. Ft. Knox has a human element guarding and responding. and you’re pointing out it doesn’t get robbed. How does that prove a human element isn’t needed as part of any security system? And you’ve gone this route multiple times now…so it’s not just a slip that you didn’t think about for a second, you’re genuinely incapable of following the logic…

            And then straw man after straw man…where was veteran care being discussed here? I said your attitude that the military is just for people that want to kill others is offensive…and it is offensive. Good job trying to dance around those insulting comments to distract from them…

            Watched your house burn down and watched looters of said houses…your failure to follow the argument yet again. Your statement was about gun shops, not homes. I SAID there were looters of homes there, genius…your response to that “they did too loot homes”…really? Isn’t that what I just said? What I pointed out is that your stories about gun shops there were full of it…and they are full of it.

            And no, having less crime than before after Loma Preita does not count as there being “looting”. Everyone knows what is meant by saying there was looting after a disaster, and it doesn’t mean that somewhere some crime still existed as normal or lessened. You were wrong to talk about “looting” after Loma Preita, and now want to backpedal with inane “well, crime still happens a little no matter what, so there was still stealing at some point”. No dice. Crime went down after Loma Preita, you were wrong to talk about “looting”, deal with it.

            And where was anything about approval of militarization of police mentioned? I approved of people protecting their business…but I think the fact that you need to throw so many straw men in there proves the point that you’ve got nothing left to stand on on our actual topic…so thanks for making that clear.

          • cold340t

            Dude, the straw is in your pipe.

      • disqus_3BrONUAJno

        There is nothing left in Fort Knox to steal. The Fed and Feds already sold it off, holding down the price.

      • disqus_3BrONUAJno

        The guards on the World Trade Center towers worked for Marvin Bush and were told that those teams of people were cleaning the girders they were installing tge thermate on.

    • disqus_3BrONUAJno

      What would you do if the insurance agent and company’s phones had been disconnected?

      • cold340t

        Find a New Insurance Co.! Thats Business. Then find the original Thief and get my money. People who steal don’t like to be found, and are surprised when they are. I often just have to ask for whatever they took back. Sometimes I do have to let go too! In my neighborhood I’m considered a “McGyver” type of person. with a little Taxi Driver craziness. Despite being known as being Totally Non-Violent. Which I practice faithfully. They don’t like it when I’m upset and generally tell thief or thieves to give me my stuff back before I come for it. Yes, that is how i roll. Even brokered a 5yr. long (93.-98) truce between No.Oakland & So. Berkeley cause they didn’t like me upset.

        • disqus_3BrONUAJno

          If you know who the thief is and have evidence of his miscreance, why do you need an insurance company? Sue his ass in civil court and he’ll probably be generous if you agree not to have him prosecuted in criminal court.

    • TexTopCat

      These employees and neighbors are protecting their way of life. When these stores are looted and burned, they will not be replaced. If a mob approaches, I do not think that anyone would doubt immediate violent treat to the lives of the owners.
      This is exactly what our framers had in mind by the use of Militia, people coming together to protect their homes and neighborhood.

      • cold340t

        Lets see what happens when the Bundy Militia shows up. This will be very telling based upon the Militarized Cops reaction. Wonder if they would just withdraw? Not!

  • East Clintwood

    Y’know ink is quite valuable, gotta defend if from looters…

    • late2theParty

      No. But the machines, the equipment, heck even the furniture can be expensive. At first I thought like that… “Heck, what are they gonna do, ‘Give me a SWAG tattoo or this crowd will beat you!'”? But I then remembered my airbrush compressors and my welder and my … in SOME cases tools = work.
      And yeah. Sometimes you’ve got to defend your livelihood – if you can’t provide for your family because some @&*#)$_ think they can do what they want, you are threatening their security and therefor their lives. Food ain’t free. Do I want to? No. Will I? Yes. IF the security of my family is at stake.

    • BeGe1

      There’s a lot of money and expensive equipment in a tattoo shop. Not to mention these people were just plain destroying things for the heck of it and in some cases burning buildings down. Your entire livelihood could be gone in a couple minutes.

      • disqus_3BrONUAJno

        If someone were to steal everything out of a tattoo shop and destroy it, they’d raise the cultural IQ of the surrounding community.

  • cold340t

    I lost my 2nd business because the New greedy landlord more then tripled my rent. Sorry for your father but, greed is why People doing honest work lose their Business’s. Nice thing about Dreams is you can have more then one. Been robbed 6 times between two Business’s. Rates went up but, location couldn’t be considered bad, so they couldn’t gauge my policy like they did for your Dad. Shooting People is harder then you think unless you have been trained like OUR New American Military Police Force. Killing over material goods is just b.s.! I bet your Pro-Life too? I value Life over material goods anyday!

    • disqus_3BrONUAJno

      Can you name a single war that this country’s military has fought for the actual physical defense of this country? If you say WW2, I’ll know that you believe the transparent lies taught to our public fool system day prisoners.

  • cold340t

    What is it with these homoerotic posts? You and “flaming homo” seem to be fixated on Homoerotic images, dreams and wishful thinking. You guys clearly are wanting these homoerotic experiences to be shared with others based upon your comments. No Thanks I prefer women.

  • cold340t

    clearly you are full of self hate. Your homoerotic focus says more about your desires, dreams, focus on all things homoerotic. Then your closet door can hide. Thanks for the invite , but I prefer women. You can come out now. I’m sure your friends already knew!

  • cold340t

    Funny thats exactly what happened to the White Surfers who smashed windows a stole just recently.

  • cold340t

    What is this fascination with Lethal Force?

    • disqus_3BrONUAJno

      It is similar to the equal fascination with violating other peoples rights.

  • Rush Izright

    loaded weapons–like an extended middle finger = universal language

    • disqus_3BrONUAJno

      Are unloaded weapons perceptible?

      • Rush Izright

        unloaded = paperweight.

        • disqus_3BrONUAJno

          And you maintain that bad guys can weigh firearms with their eyes?

          • Rush Izright

            so, if your in a life/death situation you gonna do a michael corleone? good luck.

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            I’m not sure what a fictional character in a gangster movie might have done.

          • Rush Izright

            so–what is your plan?

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            Single tap in the forehead, double tap in the heart.

          • Rush Izright

            actually-a shot to the hip region has proven effective in stopping most attacks-people drop immediately-it’s a bigger target also. center mass works–keep practicing.

          • disqus_3BrONUAJno

            Bleeding out takes a lot more time than stopping the heart. That region of the body is not on a standard torso target for a reason.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    When did Wyoming seceed?

  • cold340t

    I didn’t shit my pants to get out of Vietnam, Like your Hero Ted Nugent.
    However, I respect your service to OUR country. THANK YOU for Serving and Protecting.
    That being said, as War Vet. you should recognize the wrong turn our country has made regarding Our Rights. Rights that You actually fought to Protect. Do like the resemblance to Iraq/Afghanistan or Vietnam?
    I happen to be the First Generation in my Family that hasn’t gone to war or killed anyone. My family fought in Civil War thru Vietnam. I make NO APOLOGIES for this! Nor was I a draft dodger like so many GOP/Teapotty Chickenhawks or Other Posters in this thread!
    Oh, and I am quite capable of protecting myself, thank you.

  • cold340t

    One Months notice for more then tripling the rent? Hmmm, I did move, and the Store front went empty for almost 3yrs. When the New tenant opened they quickly closed, but not before offering the place back to me. Funny, her rent was less then they tried to get out of me. Yet, still out of sync with comparable Store fronts. They lowered the rent again. Now its a Nail Salon. I ain’t no Saint, but thanks for the compliment!
    The Greedy New Landlords never got close to what they expected out of me. From ANYONE ELSE. Their loss. Not mine. Reopening again new location in Sept. thank you!

  • cold340t

    Why so angry?

  • cold340t

    Dude I told you I’m Not interested in dating you! Quit stalking me!

  • cold340t

    Sorry, thought you were adding on to suxdix above. Again sorry.

  • disqus_3BrONUAJno

    You seem to know a lot about homosexuals and homosexuality. Maybe you could be a Common Core sex ed teacher. It sounds like you might enjoy being in a position of trust over a class of innocent flesh.

  • TexTopCat

    This area needs to be put under marshal law and looters need to be arrested or shot. There is no excuse to allow looting anywhere.

  • cold340t

    Yuotube videos of angry protestors can be from anywhere. The issue is why are they so angry? Most violent/looter type are Agent Provocateurs, Undercover Cops, or Paid Anarchist types. As proven from WTO demonstrations and Occupy Oakland Movements. Infiltrators they are. Check the Google!