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Police claim they did not deliberately set fire to cabin believed to house Christopher Dorner

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Despite audio from a local news station and even clear statements on police radios heard over a police scanner (and recorded), law enforcement is now claiming that they did not deliberately set fire to the cabin in which Christopher Dorner was believed to be hiding out.

According to AFP, police denied that the fire was deliberately set, instead saying they threw a type of pyrotechnic tear gas into the cabin, while still denying that the fire was intentional.

“Sheriff McMahon confirmed that officers had thrown in a kind of pyrotechnic tear gas, which can catch light,” AFP reports.

“We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out,” San Bernadino Sheriff John McMahon said.

Even CNN reported on the audio from a Los Angeles television station that captured the sound of someone saying, “Burn it down … burn that goddamn house down. Burn it down.”

Yet, according to CNN, the order to use the “burners” did not come for another two hours. “Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire,” one officer said on the radio around 4:16 pm.

According to USA Today, “[McMahon] said deputies initially fired conventional ‘cold’ tear gas into the cabin in Seven Oaks, near Big Bear Lake, then switched to ‘pyrotechnic-type’ rounds known as ‘burners.’”

McMahon also said, “We believe that this investigation is over, and we’ll just need to move on from here.”

While police say they have strong evidence that the individual tracked to the Big Bear cabin “looked and behaved like Dorner,” they still cannot “absolutely, positively confirm” that the body found inside was indeed Dorner.

“I cannot absolutely, positively confirm it was him,” McMahon said, according to ABC.

According to San Jose Mercury News, the actual identification of the body could take anywhere from hours to weeks and it isn’t clear what method of identification will be used.

The best way to determine identity is DNA, according to Dr. Cyril Wecht, former president of the American Academy of Forensic Science, but that could be quite difficult to obtain from a severely burned body.

Furthermore, investigators need DNA from Dorner to compare with DNA from the remains from the cabin.

“Wecht said they could go to family members to get similarities that can be used as a match,” according to Mercury News.

Others, like Scott Carrier, an individual who worked with the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office for over 30 years, say dental records will be the way to go.

“In the end, the dental records are imperative. Even with all the new crime scene techniques — with DNA and other procedures — you need to have something to compare the DNA with to get a positive identification,” Carrier said. “Dental records are still the best way.”

While the actual identification of the body will be left up to the San Bernadino sheriffs, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said they are prepared to offer help identify the body in an interview with CNN.

“We all are breathing a sigh of relief. We do believe it is the body of Christopher Dorner, but we don’t know for certain,” Villaraigosa said, according to Reuters.

“We have been working collaboratively from the very beginning to bring this man to justice,” Villaraigosa said, according to Mercury News. “We are prepared to offer any help we can to identify the body.”

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  • http://www.republicofflorida.org JoeRepublic

    The sky is green and grass is blue. This is basically what they’re saying here. We have many saved copies of the audio where you Police are clearly saying, “Burn it”, “fucking burn that motherfucker”, “Seven burners deployed and we have a fire.”, and we’re all just supposed to believe your contradiction. Sure buddy and the words “pull it” is not a demolition phrase either.

  • Caveat Emptor

    Hmm they said the same thing about Waco.

    • unsheepled

      in fact he was the human BBQ for a bunch of roid raged thugs.. WACO’d

  • J Archer

    This whole episode has validated that the LAPD is unproffessional, lacks disipline nessessary to engage in combative operations, therefore it is very easy to believe that they are liars and will do anything to preserve thier “reputation” (lol). Some rep. This gaggle of gun toting yahoos need to be dismantled from the top down. Obviously leaders lack competence to actually lead. There seems to be an in ability to determine friend from foe and lastly they cannot shoot straight which apparently is a good thing based on all the innocent people they shot at.

  • Montana Rancher

    “We have been working collaboratively from the very beginning to bring this man to justice,” Villaraigosa said
    Shoot to kill and burn him alive is a new definition for “justice”, someone update wiki for me.

  • TLate

    No one is even talking about the cars they shot up and the people they wounded MISTAKENLY thinking it was Dorner. That should prompt a Fed Investigation, talk about unecessary force. The police are not supposed to be allowed to be vigalantes just because they are police. I guess that was collateral damage. You hear that term alot from our military and the police…get used to it may be coming to a town near you!

  • Roscoe

    LAPD had nothing to do with the cabin. It was San Bernadino Co. Sheriff’s ofc. Being a retired cop from DC area, if someone killed one of yours’, street justice was swift…no big secret.

    • spartacus !!!!!!!

      what a “ass” you are ! , please die a long and painful one !

    • http://www.ifamericansknew.org Stoopid Amerikan

      Are you retired or on disability? Which is it? It can’t be both. But either way, whichever it is, you’re still a Right Wing moocher and probably getting paid to litter the internet. PS: nice homeschooling there. It shows that you are a “retired cop from DC are” — retired janitor at the police department is more like it.

    • http://NONE Arizona

      glad to see you feel that way ROSCOE,because you boys have murdered so many people who were not guilty of anything,NOW we feel much better feeding you to our dogs,as this coming war you caused will create a need for dog food when the markets are closed…….

  • http://twitter.com/arikaee99 arikaee99

    Social decay…All big city law enforcement are above the law.They are no better than the killer.

  • http://twitter.com/arikaee99 arikaee99

    Roscoe…That is the reason people loose respect for law enforcement.!

  • Anne

    So Roscoe are you saying it’s ok for law enforcement to kill a suspect who may or may not be the wrong person just because the one you are looking for killed a cop instead of a regular person? Next you’ll be saying drone assassinations are ok too. Whatever happened to that pesky little commandment – thou shall not kill? I guess I missed the whole it’s ok to kill possibly innocent people if you are a cop part.

  • Anonymous

    Osama Bin Ladened? Operation Sandy Hoaxed? The next one will be quick to figure out. The formula (from JFK-to Waco-to Okahama-to 9/11-to Behngazi-to Sandy Hoax)
    is starting to look very, very familiar.
    Detach and let the system crumble and the ‘inside” will just end up
    imploding on eachother.
    Freedom.
    The Age of Tranparency where B.S. can no longer hide.
    Droning for Dorner – The Internalization of the Enemy
    by Zen Gardner
    “This Dorner situation is just too obvious. It’s clearly a Sandy Hook for drones and will certainly keep morphing into more useful police state images and enemy branding. They can’t help themselves.
    After all, never let a good crisis go to waste.
    Now we have a rogue cop (assuming all this really happened or is happening) being hunted down amidst the general population. Who’s gonna be next? Get used to it, people. This is the first of many. We are officially in a fascist gulag..the barbed wire can’t be far behind.
    “Tell a big enough lie…” And the American people bought it. Again.
    The Osama BombaRama Imprint
    They were supposedly looking for the lanky turbaned fellow with the magic cell phone in Afghan caves to kick off the decimation and occupation of the resource rich strategic middle east. This has taken almost 13 years to not accomplish since we’re still there, and has deliberately bled into several countries and drained the US economy like a vampire.
    As designed.
    See the similarity in the manhunt meme? While CNN could find and interview the notorious CIA asset Bin Laden, the world’s mightiest military and intelligence network couldn’t find this so-called mastermind in the rocky hills of nowhere. Now a so-called rogue cop is escaping the most policed “free” nation in the world.
    Get the imprint? Rogue ex-cops (and implied ex-military, militia, gun “nuts”, truthers, etc. etc.) hiding and ambushing our poor, innocent law enforcement officers. OMG…bring on the drones! Good thing we have all this high tech surveillance, eh? Maybe we need more, the mass mind cries.
    And it’s much more than that. It’s the internalization of the enemy. The target is now officially here. They’ve been working towards this a long time since the Oklahoma City false flag op, and now with DHS terror lists going as far as listing Ron Paul supporters and people with more than 5 days of food it’s gone absolutely insane.
    But who’s looking?
    People consciously and subconsciously think they can’t afford to open their eyes. The conditioning is too strong and constant, and the fear of retribution for even speaking up against what’s going on is escalating by the day. All by design. Welcome to the police state of fear. The polarization has been going on for decades, carefully marginalizing anything with brains enough to challenge the system, and now it’s moving into full blown totalitarianism.
    The Osama bin Hidin’ Meme
    The picture of the renegade terrorist who could strike at any time is a very strong fear imprint. Think of the DC shootings. Now fabricated mad gunmen mowing down our children. This is just another psyop in a very long list of deliberately staged terrifying events to condition the mass mind to not just be afraid, but to look for help from their “authorities”..the same ones who are now trying to take their last line of personal defense away, their guns.
    You can just imagine this new meme being played out by these manipulators at will. Just as they did with the Gulf of Tonkin non-incident to start the murderous demolition of Vietnam. All they have to do is say such and such an event happened, something totally made up or easily staged, and that the culprit is so and so. No judge, no jury, just pointed, shrill accusations backed by the complicit criminal media rat bastards. They’ve done this for ages and it’s always worked on the general populace.
    Next come the community snitches as the paranoia gets whipped up into a frenzy. Not a nice scenario but history bears me out.
    Conclusion
    I’m just trying to point out the subtle yet obvious methodology of the cryptocrats, the shifty lying snakes who rule during this last ride of the wicked.
    Fear is the biggest enemy. Don’t let any of their machinations intimidate or cower you. It’s then that you become a voluntary victim and prisoner in their matrix of hate. No one has to be subject to that.
    Be smart, be vigilant, but most of all be conscious and led by heart, truth and love.
    And don’t stare at this stuff too long. Time spent dwelling on anything becomes a form of fascination and the unwary can get some tentacles start to drag them into a wrong state of mind and heart. Keep up with what you need to keep up with, but always make the fun and fascinating and wonderful your main dish. I might sound severe in the way I sound off on some of this crap they’re pulling, but I laugh heartily throughout the day and am one happy chappy.
    Hope you are too!
    And screw the bastards! They ain’t gettin’ my loyalty through fear and intimidation.
    They can’t fool any of us when infinite consciousness lights our way! Celebrate that!”
    ZenGardner.com

  • spartacus !!!!!!!

    even satan will have his “ass “handed to him so no matter what these idiot’s think they are getting away with think again !

    • Roscoe

      MORONS! Dorner said he wouldn’t be taken alive. This a positive ID situation…NONE of you, who are obviously left-wing anarchists, have even mentioned the “innocent couple” he killed first. I for one, am prepared to protect my rights…You all are quick to jump, but fail to realize that there were and are a lot of good cops out there, wasn’t hard at all to incite your vitirol-especially SPARTCUS!!!! Look in the mirror, you are your own LA(et al) cop. Try doing that job in a cesspool everyday, then get back to me in 5yrs.(normal burn-out-stage) i’ll be in my bunker.

      • Anonymous

        paid trolling.

        • Roscoe

          I wish, try living on a disability pension….BUT, I am a sheepdog….you sheep don’t like me, but I will be needed when the wolves come knocking at your door….read the book “Killology”.

          • http://www.ifamericansknew.org Stoopid Amerikan

            Whuuuuuut? You such a CONservative Republican Right Wing wackadoodle mooching off the government? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Say it ain’t so, Roscoe.

      • http://www.ifamericansknew.org Stoopid Amerikan

        Left-wing anarchists. LOL! There’s nothing I love more than the terminology of the Right Wing Nutjobs. Oxymoron doesn’t even begin to describe it.

  • Anonymous

    Dorner claimed he was framed and did not murder anyone.
    Submitted by fishyculture on Fri, 02/15/2013 – 09:50
    in
    Current Events
    Video
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/video-report-gu

    Here is a story that I missed when it came out, before Dorner was found:
    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/02/chris-dorner-sp

    This is an absolutely BOMBSHELL interview. I have only worked loosely with Chris as a BIN contributor, but he strikes me as a very “above board” man and I believe him, and I believe Dorner was framed.

    Here are people who encountered Dorner while he was on the run. He left a trail of LIVE WITNESSES to his mercy, when a man “on the run” is better off with hostages and no witnesses.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57569233/carjacking-vict

    http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/13/local/la-me-0214-dor

    OK, I am trying to find witnesses to the alleged murders committed by Dorner. One victim was Officer Michael Crain. Here is all I can find so far:
    “He was in a patrol car with a rookie officer early Feb. 7 when ex-LAPD Officer Christopher Dorner allegedly opened fire from another vehicle.”
    http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_22580937

    And here is what I’ve got on the couple:
    “It was reported on Sunday that Dorner called the father of one of his alleged victims to taunt him about his daughter’s death, it was revealed today.

    He is suspected of shooting Monica Quan and her fiance Keith Lawrence in their car in Irvine, California, last Sunday as ‘punishment’ against her father Randall Quan, a former Los Angeles police captain.

    Dorner wrote online that he blames Quan for his 2009 firing from the LAPD. Quan represented Dorner at the review board hearings that led to his dismissal.”
    http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_22580937

    So, Dorner was executed based on a telephone call and a reference to the victim’s father in a manifesto we know was tampered with. If anyone can find compelling evidence that Dorner actually killed anyone besides the cop at the cabin, please post it, I’ll add it.

  • Anonymous

    “Dorner has several LIVE “victims” who claim he was kind, and did not frighten them. It is not consistent with a crazed killer. The official story, once again, stands on its ear. This is a man who has “alternative media” credentials, and he says Dorner contacted him and gives all the evidence he has.
    I don’t really ask you to believe one story or the other, I appreciate you taking the time to at least LEARN the “other side of the story.” –

  • http://www.ifamericansknew.org Stoopid Amerikan

    To quote El Chapulin Colorado “fue sin querer queriendo”

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