Paul Craig Roberts on Orlando Shooting: Still No Evidence, No Blood, No Bodies

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Dr. Paul Craig Roberts makes a very good point… if we cannot prove the story, we are entitled to disbelieve it.

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In response to my challenge, readers report that they have found no evidence of bodies or blood. One person reports that a TV station posted names of some victims, which is the way the absence of Sandy Hook bodies was handled.

One person who said he is a veteran said the AR-15 can have a 30-round clip. That would mean four reloadings in order to shoot 103 people. The veteran said that the rifle can be reloaded in 5 seconds: one clip is dropped out, another put in, and the bolt released. But 5 seconds is not fast enough to prevent being rushed. Remember, sprinters can cover 100 yards—300 feet—in less than 10 seconds. Ordinary people who are not couch potatoes can cover 300 feet in 20 seconds. That means they can cover 150 feet in 10 seconds or 75 feet in 5 seconds or 15 feet in 1 second.. In the crowded club, people were likely no more than 10 feet from the shooter, 20 feet at the most. Moreover, if there is only one shooter, he can be rushed in an arc that he cannot possibly cover. It is difficult to imagine that there were no veterans in the club, no people aware that guns run out of bullets and have to be reloaded and that so many people would miss four opportunities to disarm the shooter. It is hard to imagine that none of the hundreds of people present were capable of presence of mind. Bottles could be thrown at him, glasses, chairs. And no one did anything?

Mainly what readers have reported is evidence that the Orlando shooting is a hoax. One reader sent me a video in which a skeptic uses a RT video to show that the same three allegedly injured people, who so far are the only victims we have been shown, are being carried toward the night club, not away from it.

Another person sent a video that shows the man with the red shoes who is being carried is put down after the camera walk-by.

Here are readers reporting their inability to find any real evidence.

Somehow 103 people were shot and there is no visible evidence.

Dear Mr. Roberts, in response to your request for evidence regarding the Orlando shooting, I held my nose and forced myself to watch about an hour and a half of fox and cnn. No blood whatsoever. Nothing real about any of the videos or stupid interviews with alleged victims. I knew we were being lied to the first night when Fox News trotted out Bernard Kerik. We know that traitor lied to us about 911. Why would we believe anything that evil bastard said about this event. Thanks for such a great article. You really nailed it. Dutch

I was watching one of the networks at a local eatery. My working assumption on these mass shootings is that they are fake, either entirely so, as you mildly suggest in your latest article, or perpetrated by government informants. The cameo profiles of victims began appearing on TV last night, as my wife and I sat at a bar-restaurant eating chicken wings. Who believes this stuff? Pepe Escobar and others are also articulating skepticism on their Facebook pages. Is this a distraction from some important stuff going down at Bilderberg?

Thank you for your great work. I agree with your take on Orlando,San Bernardino,etc. Do you think there is a legal way to expose the people that perform these fictitious acts (I.e perhaps class action lawsuits against the crisis actors, etc).? Thanks again for all your efforts. Husni

A fat, crying woman under shock yells out a detailed story to the cameras, without stopping. It seems she practiced the script for a week or so. Such poor acting just causes pity. Someone should have said : \” Madame, please slow down. Fetch your script and come back for a second take, OK ?\”

It took 3 hours for the police to proceed with an assault. 53 wounded people lay officially inside the establishment, crying for help. Are there recordings of these desperate yells ? Fifty three folks!

I searched Orlando on You Tube (easy, fast, no sound, and no blood). Thank God, actually.

Was wondering what your take is on this. Veterans Today has it as most likely another false flag. Like you pointed out, many groups to benefit from this. The DEMS are pushing hard for gun control, Israel is ecstatic of more hatred towards Muslims, the DOD loves more war money, and the beat goes on. I was looking for ambulances and paramedics, but saw none. Then the BOZO, known as the President here, gets on TV asap and pushes gun control, never mentions anything else. He was cold and remorseless, and walked away fast. Meanwhile, the Congress and President and Homeland Insecurity are bringing in crateloads of questionable immigrants, some handled by religious groups no less (raking in the dough).

I have not seen any evidence, but I am a bit \’over-the-hill\'(62 yrs old) when it comes to comprehensive internet searches. However, I asked my computer savvy 24 yr-old son, and he has not found any videos of the carnage inside nor out. He did suggest to me that if anyone did capture anything on their cell phone, etc., that the police/authorities would immediately confiscate it. I don\’t know though… Please let us peons know if you find anything remotely credible. thank you PCR

I appreciate readers bringing to my attention more evidence that suggests we are witnessing another drill, like the announced drill at the Boston Marathon, turned into a fake terrorist attack. That indeed might be what the Orlando shooting was. However, remember, our purpose is not to disprove the official story, but to find evidence in its behalf.

So far all we have are official statements and testimony by what seem to be crisis actors. 103 people cannot be shot without there being real evidence.

It has to be somewhere.

My cautionary statement was that we should not believe massive terrorist attacks without evidence, especially when we know for an absolute fact that the government lied to us about Saddam Hussein, Assad, and Libya. These lies have kept us at work destroying Muslim countries for 15 years, with a consequence that Europe is being overrun with refugees from our wars based on nothing but the government’s lies.

It is not an unreasonable conclusion that a government that will lie to us about Iraq, Libya, Syria, the economic condition of the country and that will lie to the 9/11 Commission might also lie to us about Boston, Sandy Hook, San Bernandino, and Orlando.

My point is simply that we are given stories based not on visible evidence but on claims. These kind of events have to leave massive evidence, but somehow it is not visible.

To recap, we are trying to see if we can find real evidence that supports the official story. We are not trying to disprove the official story but to prove it.

If we cannot prove the story, we are entitled to disbelieve it.

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About Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Visit his web site at the Institute for Political Economy.

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  • This latest FBI false flag is wearing thin. It’s time for the next act of this three ring circus to begin. Hey honey, can you grab another cold beer and some Cheetos?

    • Broos

      It’s Another (CIA) burning Bush COMPANY fiction; und PCR fergot the 0bama bin Lyin’ Abbotobad hoax, As ILL ! – Eternal Flamers

    • Chuck Schultz

      There will be more…because they really need the guns in order to implement the rest of their NWO agenda. Don’t every give up your guns…EVER!

    • Next up old folks home? Children’s Hospital? Mosque? Maternity ward? Any bets? Anyone?

      • bosunj

        Democratic convention will make Detroit ’68 look like a church social.

  • frankw

    The confusion and contradictory evidence(or lack thereof) simply serves to keep the public uncertain of what really happened, thereby making it easier to promote an agenda.

  • Stewpedaso

    Ex EMT right here and the video guy is totally right…although in a mass casualty situation we would use civilians to help there is no way in hell they would be walking back to the club even if thats where the ambulance went after the fact we would come to them

    • Eric Blake

      What ambulances? With 49 dead and 53 injured, the whole block should be full of them, gurneys, and medics running everywhere.

    • Illatouch

      the real conspiracy is how did that hospital magically appear to be constructed blocks away? LoL

    • Florida girl

      With so many injured how do you think you could get to everyone? The gentleman I’m referring to was shot in the thigh I believe. He wasn’t that seriously hurt so that’s probably why the EMT’s weren’t helping him at that moment. They might have been inside the club helping those with more serious injuries. You’re just not going to make me believe it was a hoax.

      • Illatouch

        the only way i can explain it is idiocracy. they can’t grasp reality. the club is off kaley and orange and literally 2 NYC blocks away is winnie palmer/orlando health. opd had that place locked down, no conspiracy, its going to be a sad day when the video is released bc locals know that place has cameras.

      • Stewpedaso

        Then count the Ambulances…a 10cc vial of blood dropped and broken on a wall or floor will look like a murder scene and these people have you believing that nearly 50 people with bullet holes in them and dead and more than that wounded doesn’t look like a blood bath…just the trail made by emergency people would be horrifying…congrats on being observant

      • kirkpatrick

        We are saying we don’t believe the official story. If it was a hoax, the cops didn’t necessarily know about it. Some people probably did indeed die, but I doubt one man shot 103 people. You don’t understand guns if you think that. You don’t know how heavy they are, how long it takes to change magazines. how many magazines it would be, what the shooting percentage would need to be, how easy it would be to overtake a gunman, and how useless a rifle is indoors. Rifles are for protecting a range. Liberals are imagining a machine gun that instantly kills 50 people. People don’t die that easily. It takes at least 3 precise shots to kill someone. Pistols are only good for up to 25-50 feet away, meaning a person with a rifle could always overtake a person with a pistol. That’s why they want the AR-15, the most popular rifle in the world.

        • Gary

          Do you think some people actually died? I haven’t seen enough evidence, myself.

          • kirkpatrick

            Look into Christopher Drew Leinonen, in particular his friend Brandon who is still alive and was claimed by mother Christine to have texted her at 3am. You need to be his friend to see whether that really happened. The mother was most certainly lying IMO so that would mean Brandon was in on it. A fourth friend, a white guy pictured with them, is also still alive. Also, it seems too convenient that Christine Leinonen’s FB page’s last public post was her and her son.

          • kirkpatrick

            Most of the other dead on the list seemed like fake Mexican names. Julio Cruz Martinez III.

        • Florida girl

          Believe what you want! I live in the real world!

          • bosunj

            Suuurrreeee, Like O-ville DUHmerica is the real world. Hilarious.

  • Vows of Vengeance

    You can get AR15 magazines that hold over 30rds and drums that hold 100+ rounds. But im sure this is a false flag by the government some how.

    • hmm i have yet to get one of those 100 round drums to fire more than 20-30 rounds before crapping out .

      • They crap out? Damn, I was interested…

        • yeah they jam up and wont deal with dirt or dust at all but i have only tried 3

          • LookandListen

            I have several 100 rd Beta mags and if you lube (dry lube) correctly, will fire all 100 rounds without a problem. If they are in storage for to long I hand unload and reload so as to keep the tracks lubed.

          • Rey d’Tutto

            Thanks for the heads up

      • Helluva3ngineer

        I think Magpul is making a stick mag that holds some ridiculous amount. I can’t afford one to test it though.

        • I have always thought a better AR 15 design would have been gravity fed , seems that would be cheaper and more reliable .

      • Don’tTrust’em

        Quit buying crap Magz, get a better rifle or clean your rifle after every use.

      • ExecutorOffice

        ya gotta’ wind them up enough

    • Soooo he had 10 of those orrr? His trigger finger didn’t fatigue? His shoulder didn’t give out lugging all of that ammo and carrying an 11lb gun?

  • 2016usaofzimbabwe

    after Obamas /Holders Fast&furious i would not put Din Do Nuttin passem….

    • Yep, no matter who did what it’s white people’s fault! It’s their damn privilege causing everything!

    • ExecutorOffice

      What would you say if Jesus were black? ” Wass up?! “

      • bosunj

        What a black jesus would say is more interesting.

        • ExecutorOffice

          exactly what a white Jesus would say . Jesus is neither black nor white.

        • ExecutorOffice

          The exact same thing as a white Jesus, yet He is neither

          • bosunj

            Kinda thick aren’t ya? The POINT was it would be more important than what the guy you asked had to say.

          • ExecutorOffice

            Trinity : “Dodge this.”

          • ExecutorOffice

            Hi Oh Arrogant One ! Your Superiority has me in AWE. ( trill any r’s in the sentences)

  • GL Smith

    This game is over. Everybody who goes and buys a gun is now a target. They have your address and were to pick it up .They are betting that when they come to get it, you will not stand up and protect your home . You are the radical in their book. This is all about control. Thats why they have broken everyone into small groups. Whites,blacks,latino,muslim,gay ,trans,men ,women. Easier to conquer small groups and use one against the other. Get this , there is no difference between dems , repubs, socialist. They are all on the same side.They just make you choose a side. Kind of like a chess board with the king and queen sitting back behind the lines I’ll let everyone decide who their king is.

    • There’s really only 2 groups but most people are too stupid to see it, it’s us & them.

    • support your local black market …………..they aint going to snitch you off to the fedcoat scum .

      I am proud to say I do not own and will never own a ‘legal’ gun and i will never be found unarmed .

      • bosunj

        Of course F-Troop doesn’t operate/infiltrate any of those.

    • Helluva3ngineer

      There is no way to protect your home. If things get to that point, don’t even try it. Nope, you should always pick the time and place for a fight – not your enemy.

    • GAZOO

      Damn right. Only a fool would believe background checks aren’t stored by the Government.

    • Chuck Schultz

      Only two groups… Good vs. evil

    • Milly Vanilly

      IF you have REGISTERED guns, MAKE SURE you also have UN registered ones ….you know. just in case they follow a LIST, which they will.

    • Don’tTrust’em

      Posting comments, texting, emailing all make you a target, go buy a gun or rifle and protect yourself.

    • Florida girl

      I can tell you real easy – My King is God!

      • bosunj

        Ah yes, more of that reality based living.

        Just remember when you talk to the imaginary guy in the sky that’s called prayer, when the imaginary guy in the sky talks to you that’s called schizophrenia.

        “I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will–and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain. We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.” — Gene Roddenberry

    • bosunj

      That assumes you weren’t bright enough back in the 70’s to go to several graveyards in several states and find the names and birth dates of children who died very young then go get birth certs for them and over the years develop each identity so that one or several of them bought your weapons.

  • TheTruthMatters

    Anyone notice how quickly they went after the guns. The idea that a Muslim murdered 49 unarmed gays in this night club and the attack is on the AR 15. Immediately, this is all we see on the news that these are guns of war and need to be regulated. This just seems odd and the gun grab is their primary interest.

    • He didn’t even use an Ar-15 in the shooting, it’s total psyop nonsense!

      • he used a gun only a fedcoat minion can afford .

        • bosunj

          $1800 for a weapon is unaffordable? Really?

      • kirkpatrick

        But, according to a recent MSM article, it was “AR-15-like”. People, they do NOT want to take your guns! Only ones that might seem AR-15ish.

      • Florida girl

        That was corrected.

        • Sure, then bitching about AR15s is completely unfounded correct?

          • Gary

            Correct, but you’ll never hear that from a Commie or a shill.

    • Helluva3ngineer

      The part I don’t get is how they mix in the whole gay agenda into everything now. Are we supposed to feel worse about it because the people were gay? I think the people who planned this were simply projecting their own sexual preferences – imagining the “bitter clingers” coming after them with the scary black rifles.

      • Chuck Schultz

        So rebutting arguments can include: You’re just glad gay people were killed…etc..etc. Then they brought out the fake baptist pastor as an added bonus to throw Christianity on the defense even though the guy was not professing Christianity. It’s all to marginalize opposition to the NWO, that’s the skinny of it…to marginalize opposition to the NWO.

  • diane

    Has any member of Congress spoken out or acknowledged this lack of evidence? What do they have to say about no blood no ambulances no bodies (Orlando hired a new medical examiner just last week) What about all the other incongruities? We need to remind them that we are aware that Sandy Hook was an admitted hoax.

    • Helluva3ngineer

      Most likely they are briefed on these events ahead of time. Otherwise, how would they know how to respond. Plus the legislation and executive orders have to be prepared in advance.

    • Florida girl

      Who told you that Sandy Hook was a hoax? Who did you hear admit it? You all can believe it was a hoax all you want to but I don’t happen to think so. Somebody’s smoking some hallucination stuff!!!

      • bosunj

        Enough from the reality challenged. Go have a good long chat with your imaginary guy in the sky and leave the men alone.

  • It’s a homocaust!

    • Broos

      GRATE Reframe!

    • Clementine

      Aaawwww SNAP!

    • roger

      that’s some funny shit right there, I don’t care who you are 🙂

    • berrybestfarm

      gaypocalypse? homogeddon?

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      That’s the nicest walk-off I’ve seen in a while-bravo!

  • Clementine

    The Reptilians are laughing with this one… gun control, anti-Muslim, pro-LGBT, all in one staged street play… it is so easy for them to divide the sheeple, what will they do next for their entertainment?

    • They’re all getting their asses handed to them on twitter though, lol, our side gets many laughs too, many, it’s hilarious!

    • Helluva3ngineer

      My guess is set up a situation where the sheeple start killing each other. Likely within the next year.

      • Clementine

        That is a very good guess! I see it too…

      • bosunj

        Dem convention is going to make Detroit ’68 look like a church social.

  • Donna

    Check this that culb is Closed on Sunday

    The Marshall Report

    https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/

    this was nothing but a false flag event they are trying anything to disarm the US

    • Great find!

      • Donna

        Thanks see my post above

    • Helluva3ngineer

      Any word on whether or not that place will reopen? What do you want to bet the owner cashed in and the place will be bulldozed, just like SH Elementary?

      • Milly Vanilly

        First they will ship all the debris to France for disposal & then they will probably erect a mosque in its place.
        Don’t forget all the donations that will be coming in from govt. lobbyists.

    • Herman Nelson

      Thank you! The devil is in the details.. And someone failed to erase one of the details.. Just sent this off to my “500 closest friends”..

    • Mary Sekera

      I see that it is closed on Sunday. However, it is open on Saturday from
      4 P.M. until “2:30 A.M.” (which would be Sunday – 2:30 A.M.) A timeline from CBS News said that he began shooting shortly after 2:00 A.M.

  • RedWhiteBlue

    I believe this was a false flag. Having said that, he could have caused the number casualties with as little as two (2) magazines. FMJ projectiles fired from an AR or similar weapon will most likely pass thru a person and into another person before stopping. When you think about most .223 or 5.56 ammo most are FMJ target loads. They are cheaper too. Anyone who doesn’t know this has not had much trigger time or range time. Hollow point projectiles for this caliber are rare, 10 boxes on the shelf compared to 150+ boxes of FMJ. Witnesses also stated he assassinated the wounded as they were laying on the floor plus he had 3 hours to do it and a handgun.

  • joshua ;redeemed

    The second video, when they put the man in the red shoes down. Either there is another video of this scene or this one was doctored to hide the smiling face of the man on the “victims” right after putting him down. I remember seeing that.

  • Sonokar

    I wish I could afford a Sig Sauer MCX.

    • Sign up for some treasonous, poor acting and they’ll hook you up with one 😉

      • bosunj

        The retirement plan sucks though.

    • bosunj

      Only $1800. Really?

  • Montana Man

    A 30-round clip? What’s that? If you’re going to write an article involving guns, use the correct terminology! An ammo magazine is different than a clip joining a few individual rounds.

    • Helluva3ngineer

      I know people who have been shooting their whole lives and still make that mistake. It drives me nuts but that’s all people hear on TV, so they repeat it.

      • kirkpatrick

        I caught myself doing it and almost screamed. If they mispronounce something enough times…

      • Repeat it early and often enough and it becomes “true!”

        • bosunj

          Jawohl Herr Goebbels.

      • Clementine

        I always called them a banana clips… is that bad? 😉

      • Montana Man

        Since there are both magazines and clips, it makes absolutely no sense to use the name of one. when referring to the other.

  • Donna

    Some more WTF…… this was a FF

    Orlando Killer’s Father “Knew Obama”? Schmoozed in Washington, Sought Afghan Presidency

    http://www.silverdoctors.com/headlines/world-news/orlando-killers-father-knew-obama-schmoozed-in-washington-sought-afghan-presidency/

    How close was presumed killer Omar Mateen to the bizarre world of Washington politics?

    Close enough to raise your hackles about what is really going on.

    Mateen’s father, Seddique Mateen, apparently visits the Capitol frequently, take pictures in front of the State Department and White House press room, and likes to pose with Congressmen, especially from the Foreign Affairs Committee.

    There are also rumors, though they are unconfirmed, that Seddique Mateen has also met with President Obama.

    His activity at the State Department and Foreign Affairs Committee also suggest possible liaisons with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and current Secretary of State John Kerry, along with other U.S. politicians.

  • GAZOO

    Check out Russianvids: ” green screen fakery “.

    • I LOVE russianvids, one of my favorite youtube cahannels!

    • Helluva3ngineer

      I found him moderately interesting until I noticed his flat earth videos.

      • GAZOO

        It’s hard to wrap ones head around flat earth but the evidence is strong. Gyroscopes are a strong point. If the earth was round then airplane pilots would have to be constantly pushing down on the stick to compensate for the curve. The artificial horizon flight gyroscopic instrument proves this. Regardless, just don’t watch Russianvids Flat Earth videos. Check out his “green screen fakery” video.

      • There’s too much FE proof to dismiss and too many GE inconsistencies for it to be real IMO but I understand that’s a big one to look into and the establishment has severely muddied the waters. Here’s the best info on the net concerning FE: http://ifers.ace.st – if you’re interested… which I don’t think you are but there it is just in case, lol. Better than stumbling onto theflatearthsociety.org and reading that controlled opposition BS though.

        **If you join that forum and post just one message without doing hours and hours of research you’re immediately banned. I’ve never seen such strict guidelines in a forum but they were being heavily infiltrated so I guess they had to do that.

  • Gil G

    Sure. Anything to make losers feel important.

    • Yep, they should knock this false flag bullshit off already, nobody’s buying it but brain dead liberals and even some of them are starting to think something’s up. Some racist, BLM, SJW started jabbering about “muh racisms from white people” while they were mourning the death of gays at the hands of a government connected Muslim… FAIL!

      • kirkpatrick

        They lied to take the guns as well as take the First Amendment (look for new LGBT “anti hate” laws that criminalize saying “he” to a Tranny) and to demonize Muslims to prolong the war in Afghanistan. In any event, nobody should deny that the combination of all of the above spells Tyranny.

        • New York = 1st amendment violating BS “hate speech” laws, illegal/unconstitutional gun laws passed against the collective will of the people + it is illegal to boycott Israel

          California = One of the least gun-friendly states in the country unless you are a limousine liberal, of course. 1st state to mandate toxic, unsafe, private products be administered to all public school children creating unfair hurdles for parents who are smart enough to avoid vaccines at all costs for their children. Going up on ballot this September in California:

          California Holocaust Denial Speech Restrictions Initiative (2016) https://ballotpedia.org/California_Holocaust_Denial_Speech_Restrictions_Initiative_(2016) – because that story is SO TRUE that now we need to violate the first amendment rights that Americans’ ancestors fought and died for to protect this “so true it now needs laws” story that can’t stand up to scrutiny or facts in the real world. Go California! Let freedom reign! lol

          BOTH states ran by zionists, they’re closing in yet everybody’s worried about the muslims aka. the symptoms while not paying nay attention to the disease. I hope they wake up soon but they are mesmerized by propaganda.

    • kirkpatrick

      They say 50 people were shot to death (100 gallons of blood – enough to fill the double elevators in The Shining) and nobody wants to see any evidence?? But you support quickly passing the gun laws you wanted all along? So, to summarize, we need to hurry up and pass new laws because of something that might not have really happened?

      • Gil G

        Armchair Jessica Fletchers to the rescue!

        • kirkpatrick

          Cha-ching! Gil G gets 5 cents for every propaganda-supportive post. You can tell by his private account status and less than 1 like per post average. Just secretly infiltrating and watering down every legitimate discussion. A true hero.

          • Gary

            I love the number of indignant shills around at the moment.

            Their little hoaxes are unravelling too fast for them to get any traction, and all they can do is shriek hysterically at us that we must be lunatics because we want to see some evidence, and because we reject the lying Tee Vee. Lol.

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      There’s the pot calling the kettle black.

  • kirkpatrick

    Let’s say the cops shot 2 people and put a Muslims dead body there and declared 103 casualties – how would we know they didn’t grossly exaggerate and/or frame someone?

  • Wayne Downey

    Ya know I dis trust the government as much as the next guy, being a Veteran and tired of being lied to, it is just a natural response to think this would be a false flag. But let me say this. I live just blocks from where this occurred, I personally have SEEN THE BODIES WITH MY OWN EYES, and today I attended the funeral of one of my employees that was killed in that nightclub. SO anyone doubting this to be a real attack, how about you kiss my fucking ass. You were not here, you dont know shit!

    • Gary

      Obviously you don’t mistrust the guv as much as the next guy, if you believe in its false flag propaganda. The shills are in the minority, these days.

      • Wayne Downey

        SO again I reiterate, were YOU THERE? No, of course you weren’t I was there. I saw the bodies, I saw the blood, I just went to an employees funeral. How much more real does it need to be for an asshole like you to believe this really happened? Oh never mind. You’re too fucking stupid to even respond to.

        • Gary

          Only actors were there. I might not have been there, but I have just as much proof I was, as you do. 🙂

  • Rosco1776

    There were supposedly 3 armed cops exchanging fire with the suspect but none of them could hit him?

    • bosunj

      Cops are notoriously bad shots. I always leave whatever range I’m on when cops show up. Just the prudent thing to do.

  • W.A. Jones

    My, my, my…it’s amazing what people who are so proud of what they don’t believe is true will in fact believe.

    I’m skeptical of a lot, too, but a “fake” mass shooting in Orlando, carried out by “crisis actors,” and literally everybody — the killer’s family, the media, the victims’ families, the fake victims, doctors, nurses, EMTs, police officers, sheriff’s deputies, gun shop owners — is in on this fakery. That is the height of paranoia right there.

    I assume the owner of the Pulse who is probably a Jew, right? Probably with Mossad, I bet!

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      mediasolidarity.com
      Take the time to watch ALL of it-you’ll probably never look at these things the same way again.

  • roger

    No veteran would ever call a magazine a “clip”. Our military used to have as its main battle rifle, the M1. That rifle used an 8 round clip. All of the succeeding rifles; M14, M16, M203, M4 use a detachable magazine.

  • Don’tTrust’em

    60 round Magz and 100 round drum also exist for the AR-15.

  • Florida girl

    Are you people crazy or what? I’ve read the comments and I can’t believe you all think this shooting was a hoax. How do you know they guys put the injured man down because an EMT was right there or do you know which way the hospital is from the club. They could have been taking him there or putting him in a vehicle to take him there. There were other people hurt worse than he was inside the club. The news footage showed ambulances everywhere! Taking the killing of so many people and turning it around because there aren’t any gruesome pictures to show you is ridiculous. Are you all from Missouri the “show me” state or are you just nosy?

    • Gary

      Just because you saw it on the Tee Vee doesn’t make it real. And getting all hysterical about us not believing some story without evidence just makes me laugh, ’cause I reckon only a shill would do that.

  • ObviousTruths

    wow, you people are effn lunatics, A holes like you people are just ammunition for the left to confuse stupid people into thinking the left is sane.. If there is any false flag it is the existence of people who believe this absolute horsesht story. If you believe this was a false flag and no shooting occurred you are mentally ill and should never be allowed to own a weapon. You are insane and should seek professional help or a rock to crawl under and die.

    • Gary

      Lol. Just because you saw it on the Tee Vee, doesn’t mean its real! 🙂 Didn’t your parents teach you that already?

      • Wow, they’re really trying to cover this one up and shape opinions on the net.

  • berrybestfarm

    The UCC shootings in Roseburg, Oregon a few months ago was definitely a false flag/hoax. My family has lived in Douglas County continuously since 1940. Both of my parents retired from UCC. My immediate family has lived there since 1968 and our baby sister who was born in 1972 has lived there her whole life. It Is a small county (population under 100K). None of my family members know anyone who knows anyone who was supposedly killed or wounded. This is not possible. My family is very well known and socially connected.

  • kirkpatrick

    This is especially true for immigrants who choose to speak their native language, in particular those with children. I won’t deny I want to get in their face every time I (hear) it. I want to say “English is the International Language of Business – therefore you are raising a future Peasant, Thief, Gangster or Terrorist!”. I think back to the 70’s when every woman was a blonde-haired, blue-eyed MILF, cooking hot dogs by the in-ground pool, and you could tell someone’s accent if they grew up 20 miles away. And they told us “diversity is our strength”. One of the greatest lies ever spun.

    • bosunj

      As one who was born in DUHmerica and has lived outside of it most of my adult life I have a bit different perspective. I have lived where Spanish, Catalan, Mandarin, Cantonese and Thai are the native languages. Catalan, Mandarin/Cantonese and Thai all were a challenge. I speak them all but at best only perhaps sixth grade level. To get permanent residence in many countries you must be able to read/write/speak the host language so you can communicate with the gov’t and they with you in the host language. Its not required elsewhere but opportunities are greater if you can.

      English is more difficult to learn than all those languages because there are so many exceptions to the rule in English and the DUHmerican idiom is quite unique.

      If they aren’t talking to you in their native tongue what’s the issue for you? Are you the English police? Aren’t there really so many other issues to be concerned with?

      This business of the presumption of or self appointment of police power is one that seems endemic in DUHmerica. Today one always hears you can’t do this/that/other thing and I’m calling the cops. Even from those who claim to hate the gov’t. Back in the days you describe above I recall everyone always saying “go ahead its a free country”.

      Whatever happened to that?

  • Contego

    QUESTION to help me understand…if this is a hoax, how do they “continue the charade” after the incident? For example, I would think they would use real identities of “victims.” If so, and no one really died, how do you “remove” the person from society so no one can uncover the hoax? What about all their family, friends, relatives, co-workers, acquaintances, etc.—do they never see them again? Any insights are appreciated!

    • Gary

      Names of people who never existed, names of people who already died, names of people living in different countries (e.g. the living “911 hijackers”). Its easy if you’re creative.

      With the Challenger fraud, half of ’em kept going their merry way, without even bothering to change names. They figured that because people saw it on the Tee Vee, most wouldn’t even investigate. For a long time, they were right.

  • John Francis

    I’m a Paul Craig Roberts fan, but thought he went off the deep end on this one.

    PCR indicates that it is strange that not one person rushed the shooter during
    one of the four times that he reloaded his weapon. The reload takes about five
    seconds. PCR: “It is difficult to imagine that there were no veterans in the club, no people aware that guns run out of bullets and have to be reloaded and that so many people would miss four opportunities to disarm the shooter. It is hard to imagine that none of the hundreds of people present were capable of presence of mind. Bottles could be thrown at him, glasses, chairs. And no one did anything?” I think that is crazy thinking on PCR’s part. If I was to wait until he ran out of bullets and had to reload, thinking, “I will rush him when he reloads,” one of those bullets (before the reload) would have already hit me and I would be dead. My immediate reaction (and I am sure everyone in that place felt the same) would be to run as fast as I could away from the shooter. So I would not be around for the reload. So, I think there is nothing strange about him not being rushed by one of the club attendees during his four, 5-second reloads.

    He also mentions when a couple guys are carrying someone that was shot in the leg and the two guys carrying him put him down on the ground (supposedly after they think the camera is turned off). Well, that is perfectly explainable to me. I
    saw that video. Yes, they are carrying the victim because he cannot walk due to
    a gunshot wound. But, then they set him down on the ground. So what? Are they supposed to never put him down at any point. It took two guys to carry him, he was heavy. The cameras only show them putting him down. It does not show the victim get up and walk away at that point.

    And, PCR says: “It is not an unreasonable conclusion that a government that will lie to us about Iraq, Libya, Syria, the economic condition of the country and that will lie to the 9/11 Commission might also lie to us about Boston, Sandy Hook, San Bernandino, and Orlando.” Sure, it is possible that it was all staged. But,
    I have not seen any proof of that. If all PCR has is the two items mentioned
    above, then he needs to keep looking. So, I agree with him that it is not
    unreasonable to conclude that the government COULD have staged this massacre, BUT IT IS ALSO NOT UNREASONABLE TO CONCLUDE THAT THERE ARE SOME DEEPLY DISTURBED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO SOMETIMES GO OFF THE DEEP END AND DO THIS TYPE OF THING. So, until I have more facts that show that it was a false flag, I remain
    skeptical of that claim.

  • I do not trust our government anymore and have started questioning everything. In the age of the Smart phone, inexpensive video surveillance, and live streaming – why is there no massive amount of video evidence of the shooting, during, and after…?

    The thing about a real event – all the details and evidence is there for the viewing as it happens or after. The thing about a made up event – there will be holes and the very real lack of evidence. It will become a ‘trust us’ event.

    I find it very convenient that Obama got himself another mass shooting in order to forward his cry for more gun control; an issue that has moved no where even after the false flag ‘Sandy Hook’. Not only that, but it happened the same time as the Bilderberg meeting and the murder of a Pro-Britexit organizer a week before they vote.

    Evil is afloat, posing as the savior….

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      Just for shits and giggles-look up the unbelievably enormous increase in “mass shootings” since King Obama has assumed the throne. The previous high was under Bill Clinton-like 34 or something. Under Obama, it’s in the hundreds-and climbing! Trust your gut about this stuff!

    • Gary

      Afloat – good analogy. We must flush this evil before it begins to stink. 🙂

  • vrajavala

    did they hope the Gay community was going to put their approval on the gun control lobby? Backfired again.

  • skumbag

    Just search American flag shirt guy,he’s a big player in this, and also an actor as was the Luis barona or what ever the Hell his name is,he’s also the one who “held” the doors shut,some of us may have been born at night,but not last night wake up world

  • Guy

    Very good argument .IMHO , it simply cannot be refuted,it will just be ignored, unless people wake .

  • Joe Hurt

    Yes, I mentioned to my wife right after they began reporting this early a.m. Sunday (6/12) that every time they showed a “triage” area in their news reports they were intentionally blurring the footage. (But even so you could still sort of see that there were few if any “victims.”) And also I didn’t notice that any of the wounded they were so heroically carrying off (ala Boston) seemed to have serious injuries, and the injuries they did have seemed sort of “stagey.”
    She said oh they probably blurred the picture to avoid offending people. Well they never seem to mind when showing wounded Palestinians, war in Viet Nam, etc. So when did this policy start? I think they learned a thing or two at Sandy Hook and are refining their M.O.

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  • ExecutorOffice

    Check the Obits ? Talk with morticians at local dead house? How many death certificates issued ? Where are the bodies? All very ez to authenticate….. right?

  • Illatouch

    i see a lot of people here believe the world is flat too.

    • I don’t believe the world is flat, I am aware that it is flat but that doesn’t have much to do with this hoax other than it coming from the same source ultimately.

  • Larry Reed

    You idiots say that Orlando is a hoax? Seriously? Wow! I’m sure that your Paul Roberts has not even went to Orlando to see for himself…
    No. The only hoax here is that you dummies are pretending to have brains. Ugh!!!

  • Jeff

    I see my earlier comment was taken down as these “people” of a supposed “news” website wants to censor the truth. This site is nothing more than a machine propagating false-hoods for the weak minded to believe. Anyone that reads and believes this rubbish are truly the “Sheeple”. Next you will be saying the Holocaust didn’t happen…Shame on you Paul for writing this rubbish – you have no idea how hurtful what you are implying is to many here in Orlando. Grow a pair!

    • Larry Reed

      I agree with your observation about this sites deluded followers and dishonest sponsors. These crazies must be out of their freaking minds to suggest that Orlando was a hoax!!! Not to mention their callous treatment towards the victims and families. This site sucks alien sperm!

      • Jeff

        Thanks for your support Larry!

  • Jeff

    I can do this all day…. are you going to delete every post I do? I have verified my email and am exorcising my constitutional right to free speech (which you are incidentally). What you are doing here is propagating false-hoods for the weak minded to follow and believe. You and the people who believe your rubbish are truly the “Sheeple”. Next you will be saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. Shame on you Paul for writing such rubbish and shame on this supposed “news site” for publishing it. Clearly neither of you has any compassion nor empathy for those who did die here in Orlando. GROW A PAIR!

  • Jeff

    I can do this all day…. are you going to delete every post I do? I have verified my email and am exorcising my constitutional right to free speech (which you are incidentally). What you are doing here is propagating false-hoods for the weak minded to follow and believe. You and the people who believe your rubbish are truly the “Sheeple”. Next you will be saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. Shame on you Paul for writing such rubbish and shame on this supposed “news site” for publishing it. Clearly neither of you has any compassion nor empathy for those who did die here in Orlando.

  • Jeff

    I can do this all day…. are you going to delete every post I do? I have verified my email and am exorcising my constitutional right to free speech (which you are incidentally). What you are doing here is propagating false-hoods for the weak minded to follow and believe. You and the people who believe your rubbish are truly the “Sheeple”. Next you will be saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. Shame on you Paul for writing such rubbish and shame on this supposed “news site” for publishing it. Clearly neither of you has any compassion nor empathy for those who did die here in Orlando. GROW A PAIR!

  • Jeff

    I can do this all day…. are you going to delete every post I do? I have verified my email and am exorcising my constitutional right to free speech (which you are incidentally). What you are doing here is propagating false-hoods for the weak minded to follow and believe. You and the people who believe your rubbish are truly the “Sheeple”. Next you will be saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. Shame on you Paul for writing such rubbish and shame on this supposed “news site” for publishing it. Clearly neither of you has any compassion nor empathy for those who did die here in Orlando.

  • Jeff

    I can do this all day…. are you going to delete every post I do? I have verified my email and am exorcising my constitutional right to free speech (which you are incidentally). What you are doing here is propagating false-hoods for the weak minded to follow and believe. You and the people who believe your rubbish are truly the “Sheeple”. Next you will be saying the Holocaust didn’t happen. Shame on you Paul for writing such rubbish and shame on this supposed “news site” for publishing it. Clearly neither of you has any compassion nor empathy for those who did die here in Orlando.

  • Walt
  • LookandListen

    I happened to be on the internet when all this hit the news; seeing the first videos “live” with the survivors carrying the “wounded”, there was no blood (some saying they helped wounded), no terror, fear, shock, tears, worry, stress, or any other emotion on their faces, no dirty clothes. I have seen battle hardened vets show more emotion. I did see a short video of a triage setup; if 100 plus dead and wounded went though this area they forgot to use ANY of their medical supplies, no blood, no sterile wrappers (they should have used everything they carried and requested more), no cut off clothes laying about, no blood!!! These people were shot with the 5.56/.223 round at point blank range, blood would have been on the ceiling. 3,200 feet per second, 1,100 foot pounds, Hitting bone could ricochet in any direction. This round causes massive bleeding at this range. With 50 dead/53 wounded laying on the floors, the blood would have almost total coverage of the floors and the 53 would have mostly bled out after 3 hours.

  • LookandListen

    The inside of the building would have many, many bullet holes. The outer walls were cinder block, shoot some at point blank range with the same rifle and see what it does… I also noticed all the chics that were topless had dark full size bras. And last, someone shot 4 times in the back is not able to talk and move very well like the one super bad azz smiling for all his well wishers.

  • OBVIOUSLY they clutched their pearls and fainted like a 50’s movie… I can’t for the life of me remember where I saw this but It was a couple of guys set out to disprove the idiotic notion of “don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.” They showed it was damned near impossible to draw your weapon aim and fire while someone is charging at you full speed with a knife within a certain distance, or in this case reloading an AR. Either Allah Allah Akbar was a better weapons manipulator than Travis Haley and faster on the trigger than Jerry Miculek orrrr somethings BS here. Hell the squeamish Europeans put out photos of the massacres within hours, while we notoriously violence immuned Americans couldn’t handle such carnage?!?! Maybe no one returned fire because there was no one to shoot at? Lol but on the flip side, are crisis actors threatened with death and dismemberment or something? Are they witness protection participants whom are promptly shipped off to Bumfuc Utah after their services are rendered?

  • Technicallysane

    What I want to know is when are the people going to do something to stop this madness and take back their country?

    • bosunj

      Right after the game and just before the beer runs out.

      • Technicallysane

        Thank goodness…..well at least now I have an idea when. LOL

  • bosunj

    PCR hits the nail on the head as usual.

  • bosunj

    This will make the gun grabber’s heads explode:

    Gunman opens fire in German Movie theater.

    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160623/1041820421/gunman-fire-germany.html

    Very restrictive gun laws there couldn’t prevent it.

    Won’t work in DUHmerica either.

  • Jay Cassel

    Hete’s why blood and bodies aren”t shown in the news. Also, respect and dignity to the loved ones of the victims falls under federal rights to privacy laws. This isn t CSI or Law and Order. In the real world you are not privy nor entitled to information regarding those killed and their families.

    Obscene broadcasts are prohibited at all times
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    An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.
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