National Anthem Singer And Athletes Take A Knee In Protest, Did Conservatives’ NFL Boycott Work?

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New England Patriots players kneel during the national anthem before an NFL football game against the Houston Texans, Sunday, Sept. 24, 2017, in Foxborough, Mass. (AP Photo/Michael Dwyer)

The singer of the National Anthem, known as the Star Spangled Banner, also took a knee while on the field before the Titans-Seahawks game in Nashville. While all the football players were in the locker room, Meghan Linsey decided to join the protest.

Linsey, a former contestant on “The Voice,” was receiving rapturous applause for her performance at Nissan Stadium when she chose to bend down on one knee. The kneeling has become political symbol over the past year and particularly over the weekend after President Donald Trump called for the firing of NFL players who kneel in protest during the anthem.

Trump also appealed to his followers and asked them to boycott the sport until players refuse to give up their right of free speech.

They listened, as Trump wasn’t the only person irritated at the athletes’ decisions to kneel rather than stand during the National Anthem.

Unfortunately for all those offended, rights include things you don’t like and attempting to strip them from the players because feelings were hurt simply makes you a tyrant. The boycott does appear petty on the surface, however, was formed as a way for those offended by the protests of the National Anthem to strike back at the NFL and hit them where they think it’ll hurt: ratings and wallets of the players. It’s ironic how those on the right don’t wish for their gun rights to be taken away, but seek to strip the free speech rights of others by using their own free speech. Again, free speech covers things you don’t want to hear too, much like gun rights cover guns that look “black and scary.” That’s the funny thing about rights…

For example, putting a gun to a person’s head and forcing them to pray doesn’t make them instantly a believer in a God. Forcing players to stand for the national anthem doesn’t make them instantly patriotic. It only means you’ve forced another human to conform to your way because you were offended someone disagreed with your belief of standing during a certain song because of personal symbolism. The constitution never says you have the right to not be offended. Perhaps the offense on the right is even more of a reason why these athletes continue to instigate.

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Of course, the protesting of the anthem is all but worthless too, since it won’t accomplish anything other than irritating the backsides of the easily offended.

The anthem protests, which began with former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick and have now spread throughout the league, and in just one week, already appear to be affecting NFL ratings. Last week, with the 2017 season barely started, ratings were down a stunning 15% year over year, according to the Hollywood Reporter. And that’s after an 8% slide last year. That has triggered an immediate slump in the stocks of broadcasters locked into NFL contracts, with some down as much as 9% already this month.

For the most part, NFL ratings are down. But, it’s worth noting that even bad NFL ratings are rather impressive compared with nearly everything else on television, including every other major American sport. But the boycotters cannot claim responsibility for nailing the NFL’s ratings just yet. Experts have said the ratings in the first week were likely affected by the massive hurricanes that the struck the country.

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Oakland A’s catcher Bruce Maxwell kneels during the National Anthem as protests bleed into MLB.

To those uninterested in a boycott, it sounded like nothing more than an excuse for overly sensitive rightists to add one more item to the growing list of things they refuse to participate in because their feelings got hurt. Nordstrom, Starbucks, Target, and Netflix are on that list.

Boycotts and freedom of association should be at the forefront of Americans minds anyway, and there’s nothing wrong with it. But a boycott over free speech, because it’s speech one dislikes, is little too “USSA” for some.

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  • john

    Boycott the NFL. It seems like the owners no longer have control of their spoiled players. How many of us would keep a job while protesting at work while being paid. I have no problem with protests off the field, that’s their time. I will not watch spoiled brats disrespect the flag or national anthem. Football is ruined by the left fascists. Hitler and Mussolina, Barack Obama and Hillary are happy, some in the graves and some alive.

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    • g.johnon

      john, squid, dav1, rev and mike. the great zeal that you all show while so passtonately shitting all over the first amendment is quite telling. libtard leftist democrats or knuckle dragging neocon right-sider “republicans”, does not matter which, you are all equally anti-american lock step morons. our country is dying rapidly because of dumbfucks like you. you are not about freedom you fear and loathe liberty.

      stop hiding in your own jingoistic shit and start understanding that those who stand up for their constitutional rights by taking a knee are the real patriots here, they are the ones on the side of we the peeple. they have the courage of conviction while all you have is hate filled bullshit.
      trump made a huge political mistake and you are not helping to get it fixed.

      the american struggle is not about right vs left, not about gay vs straight or man vs women. it is about one thing and only one thing. we the people vs the cretinous sociopathic looter of our wealth and freedoms. and if you all cannot see that those players are standing against that very thing, you are as blind as you are stupic.

      • Uncle Sham

        we are free to protest the protests as well. Bad for business as NFL ratings plummet

      • jimmy joe

        I totally agree. How many govt thugs recite the allegiance every time they create a war with third world nations. Do you think they were thinking about our freedom when they sent their private military into iraq?? I think not!! I know, do you think they were thinking about our Constitution when they created and had the current dink in charge sign off on that pesky “law” allowing govt terrorists to enter ANYBODY’S home along that particular train corridor of dc, maryland and virginia?? What about when they decided we all needed to be spied upon, do you think they were standing for the allegiance then?? How about when they were building the 50 million^2 complex in utah? How about EVERY TIME they pull a “civil asset forfeiture” scam on some unsuspecting american, do you really think they recite it before each grab?? When we talk of patriotism, these are just a couple issues we need to bring to the front of the convo!!

    • amongoose

      They are allowing players and coaches to violate the rules. Odds are because of the hecklers veto, they don’t want to risk a walkout by these overpaid primadonnas they have for employees.That would hurt the bottom line.
      Only certain statements made on the field, or at press conferences are forbidden.
      .
      https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players

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    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      The NFL is being ruined by being used as an ideological message board-period.

      • It was ruined by being a largess funded pocket stuffing operation long before this came along.

    • g.johnon

      so you think the stinking rich owners should have absolute control over their players? they have a name for what you are blithering about. “slavery’. but hey, you got a bunch of morons to up vote ya. so, go ahead and feel like something. k, moment is over, yer still just one of the rocks in a big box.

  • Squid

    The issue seems to be as simple as an employee/employer relationship. At most places of work there are conduct rules that must be adhered to. Isn’t that true of the NFL as well? Those in the NFL seem to forget that they offer nothing other than entertainment and entertainment is subject to the whims of the public that consumes it. The players are free to support any cause they see fit during their off work hours but why aren’t the subject to employee standards during working hours?

  • dav1bg

    Americans would rather die on their feet than live on their knees. Francis C Scott Star Spangled Banner.

    • jimmy joe

      I’m not sure about that, at least concerning the majority? I know I certainly would, but, way too many people benefit from the big, corrupt govt!!

  • Mike

    need to boycott the nfl for ever. also if baseball owners don’t do something about the idiot that took a knee, won’t watch that any more either.

    • g.johnon

      awwww look at you. calling someone else an idiot. just precious.

      • Mike

        aww, look another idiot trolling.

        • g.johnon

          nerp

    • It is easier to give up television entirely, like I did after my last one was stolen, in 1987.

  • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    I gave up on football in 1982, when I realized that it wasn’t about the game, but money – so I have no horse in this race. I’ll simply continue to not watch football.

    To those who do (and those who play, in particular), however, I have a question: if the protest is about racism and police brutality, as the entitled brats claim – why are they not protesting the police who guard the stadiums instead of protesting the flag and the country which has allowed them to become entitled brats?

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      A valid question. For many poorer people-which encompasses a large portion of players-who are more likely to be subject to the heavy handed authoritarianism that runs rampant now, the police and the flag symbolize the same thing-government sponsored oppression. Of course, there are some who have simply been conditioned to hate America and are more than happy to parrot the talking points of the MSM.

  • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

    Talk about the Sheeple falling in line. The media goes agog over silly protests, which affect and harm no one, and the rest of the world becomes embroiled in an ideological pissing match. The elites sit back with their designer popcorn and cocktails and admire the theater they’ve created. Amazing…

  • emptymag

    Yes! It’s time for the people to have their say. Boycott these overpaid punks. When they’re on the field they are at work. It’s time for the owners of the team to put their foot down & put a stop to these punks disrespecting our country.

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      Who are they harming? Are they preventing you or anyone else from going about their daily lives? Have you truly been denied your happiness, security or ability to thrive? This entire issue is being used to manipulate and divide The People-and you are letting it happen. This would go away if people just ignored it and/or otherwise stopped breathing life back into it by failing to just let it go.

      • Johningb

        It is a matter of respect. A great many Americans sacrificed their fortunes, futures, and lives for them to make a ton of money playing a game. It is part of our culture to show this respect.
        I’m sorry you can’t see that.

        • Gary Smith

          Respecting (I think you meant worshiping) a song and a flag, whose sole purpose is to manipulate your emotions so you’ll continue to support tyranny at home and abroad, and the mass murder of countless people overseas so some POS banker can make more money.

          I’m sorry you can’t see THAT.

          • Johningb

            It is no different than a handshake, greeting someone by saying good day, or removing your hat when stepping inside. Culture makes a nation. No worship involved. It is a matter of respect, not worship.
            Bankers using the American military to achieve their own ends is another matter entirely. And that is not why these fools are disrespecting the flag and National anthem.
            These “players” work overtly and covertly for the bankers you so detest.

          • Gary Smith

            Bankers using the American military is hardly another matter. The anthem and flag are being used to create a zealous herd of idiots who support the American military’s imperialistic wars overseas. Seems to be working pretty well.

            What evidence do you have to support your claim these players are working for the bankers? Seems they are paid pretty well already for playing football, baseball, etc.

          • g.johnon

            god i am glad i didn’t take the blue pill.

          • Sounds more like a matter of jingoism, as you explain it.

        • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

          First of all-I served. My father and my uncle served in World War Two. Don’t you fucking dare to preach your fascist bullshit to me. We took an oath to HONOR and UPHOLD the Constitution-not shit all over other people’s rights when it didn’t suit our own beliefs. I respect my country and my fellow countrymen-not the government. I stand when the national anthem is played because I still believe in what The Declaration and The Constitution stand for-not the flag. And yes-there’s a difference. Many people are disenchanted with what this country and our government have become, what they have come to symbolize and stand for-myself included. If someone served but not for the intention of preserving the rights of ALL Americans, they served for all the wrong reasons. I’m not sorry you can’t see that-I’m disgusted.

          • Johningb

            Yet you show no respect here for others beginning with your avatar. You are nothing but another left wing commie rat douche bag. Sat Cong.

          • Maybe he is taking his respect training from you.

          • Johningb

            ESAD

          • I doubt if he shares your crude and disgusting culinary tastes.

          • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

            “left wing commie rat douchebag”? Just because we don’t agree? Very adult. Generally, in an intellectual disagreement, the first person to start calling names is the one who has run out of valid arguments. Knowing nothing of me, your rush to judgment says as much about you as you seem to think the avatar says about me. If the avatar bothers you so much, don’t look at it. That’s another great way for you to exercise your rights.

          • Treason is defined in the Constitution at Article 3, Section 3, as consisting “only in levying War against (the United States), or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
            All members of the American military take an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; (and to) bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”
            When the military is committed to foreign actions without a declaration of war by Congress, as required by Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 11 of the Constitution, that is a violation of the Constitution, arguably the action of domestic enemies.
            When a member of the military participates in an unconstitutional foreign military deployment, s/he violates both the Constitution and his/her oath to “support and defend” it, giving “aid and comfort” to it’s “domestic enemies,” committing treason by the definition given by the Constitution.

          • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

            I can’t disagree even though I’m willing to make allowances for our uniformed military members. But by every technical measure, you are correct. The Constitutional waters have been so muddied over the last hundred years that I suppose it is a small miracle that today it is discussed at all amongst the masses.

          • I imagine that the possibility that the premise could catch on might worry those who espouse a parallel concept that the oath is binding forever on the individual, making them forever subject to culpability if it were to become prosecutable. I’ve discussed it with a couple of Oath Keepers and they agreed that intent would be key.

    • g.johnon

      so, a loud and ignorant vote against the first amendment. thank you so much for your phony as hell brand of “patriotism”.

      • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

        They have a right to throw a daycare-quality tantrum, and the fans have an equal right to call them out on their bullshit.

        • g.johnon

          and you are not part of any cure either.

          • gabe

            Nor are you.

          • g.johnon

            ah, a resounding conclusion based on basically zero information. you must be a dumb shit.

          • gabe

            No you gave plenty of information proving it all on your own. Dumb shit.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Don’t be jealous because I’m smarter than you.

          • g.johnon

            lo-fucking-l! talk about puling pure horse dookey right out of your ass. rev, you are not a smart person at all,. just hubris filled self absorbed misogynist dickhead.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            One wonders what your mirror thinks when you talk to it like that. Probably, “this guy needs to have his meds adjusted.”

          • g.johnon

            many wonder about people who think talking to mirrors is a thing.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Most people call it “Projection,” but I prefer to point out the ludicrousness of it by describing at as talking to a mirror.

          • g.johnon

            yawn

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Take a nap, child.

          • It would be envy, not jealousy.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            6 of one, half-dozen of the other.

          • More like apples and oranges, since the words have totally different meanings. Jealousy requires ownership of that which is being usurped.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            And I own my education.

          • Education consists of information that has a reference. No one owns knowledge, even though they possess it. Knowing incorrectly referenced information is like knowing nothing.

          • jimmy joe

            Listen, anybody that refuses to be a part of the nfl IS part of the cure, partner. Do you realize how much greasy shit goes on this time of year, concerning the big, corrupt govt, due to the fact that 90% of americans have their entire heads squarely up their asses. Jesus hitler christ man, they know more about what goes on, on the field, fantasy football shit, than what the big, corrupt govt is doing, particularly, this time of year?? This republic is splitting at the seams with stupid!!

        • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

          Agreed-everyone has a right to voice their opinion. The problem is that there are so many people in the room yelling at each other, no one is hearing anything. I’m ok with the market providing a response to this. If enough people are disgusted by the players antics and choose to not go to games or to watch, that’s great-thats how markets are supposed to work. In the long run though, none of this is worth getting ones panties all in a bunch over. The only reason it continues is because so many peoples panties are in a bunch. It’s getting the exact reaction desired by the agitators.

          • “They sell us the president the same way
            They sell us our clothes and our cars
            They sell us everything from youth to religion
            The same time they sell us our wars”

        • It is all PR, and there is no bad PR.

  • dav1bg

    If that is their attitude, I simply exercise my “freedom” to NOT watch their games. Or buy their stuff (made in China). Feel Free to do what ever you want, I choose to learn the name of my congressman and find out if he is representing me or special interests. You know, watching out for my standard of living instead of a stupid game.

  • Jo Gajda

    Hold on a sec….just reading something….ok, done. Yeah no where in the constitution or the federal criminal code, any state CC, any jurisdiction, the UN charter of rights, and so on, is there any mention of standing for a national anthem!
    No one can make you stand for an anthem!! It is done out of respect, and if you don’t respect something you are lawfully and legally allowed to protest in any way you want as long as you do not directly affect others physically or their personal property!
    So unless the snowflakes get offended by the kneeling, these people/athletes/employees can do what they please despite doing it at their work. What is the owner going to do when 54 players kneel? Suspend them?! Fine them, then the players may band together and have the ‘football flu’!
    You people that are complaining should join in FFS! Make demands of your leader! Make him do what he was elected to do! The militaristic police need to be brought under control, and this is a good thing. When players join people, or people join players in making a statement, maybe we can make change!
    Fine the players!! Funny….fine you for not being american and standing up for your rights!
    You enjoy being invaded at the airport for no reason? Having your devices searched? Border checks no where near the border? Taxes being raised for more money for the military? Never mind the million in tent cities, the 40 plus million on welfare, the 50 million plus with no jobs, the 319 percent increase in suicides and bankruptcy, the 20 trillion or more of debt…..nah the BIG problem is players kneeling!!!

  • The Central Scrutinizer

    ” … the protesting of the anthem is all but worthless too, since it won’t accomplish anything other than irritating the backsides of the easily offended”

    You just said it right there … it isn’t meant to do anything except piss off a particular group of people – conservatives – or – people who love America and respect her history and traditions – or – most of the people who voted for Trump.

    Easily offended? Please … people who get upset over a banana peel in a tree or a cotton plant in a vase are the ones who are easily offended so stop it.

    It is a premeditated and calculated act designed to sow division and stoke hatred – period. The players are too dumb to realize that they being used and manipulated by forces whose goal is the destruction of our way of life and the theft of our liberty.

    These are the tactics of the progressive leftists who hate the fact that we have a functioning Republic that limits government – they want the power for themselves and seek to rule us all. Creating social strife, disorder and chaos is what they do – once we’re fighting in the streets they can move in and restore order and in the process they take over our lives -which is the in the end, the ultimate goal.

    These ‘protests’ simply represent another brick in that wall.

    • Gary Smith

      Hilarious post. Here’s my favorite:

      “These are the tactics of the progressive leftists who hate the fact that we have a functioning Republic that limits government”

      You can’t be serious.

      • jimmy joe

        Was thinking the exact same thing!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Or better “- people who love America and respect her history and traditions – or – most of the people who voted for Trump{“. You mean SHEEPLE,!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        • g.johnon

          if you would have said” “people who voted for bush, clinton, bush, obama and trump”, you would have been onto something. but no, yer just another useful tool playing the two party tango with little hope of ever catching one of the thousands of clues that zip by right over your head every day.

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! (fuck!)

      • The Central Scrutinizer

        What a couple of fuckin’ turds – you’re both clueless as to what’s happening here. I know you both won’t bother to answer but I’ll ask anyway.

        Where were all these sullen, angry negroes when Obama was President? The US was just great while he was President I guess since no players in the NFL felt they had to kneel during our anthem before football games,nobody cared about the many hundred year old monuments to some ancient war heroes and there was no ANTIFA either – and of course the media was not engaged in a blitzkrieg of hatred and negative coverage of the White House. Then like overnight – racism is now the biggest problem in the country which requires overt public protests and political action to remedy – white supremacists are around every corner and in all parts of ‘Trump’s America’ and we are a dangerous place to live for all minorities and immigrants. You don’t find that just a bit strange?

        Did you ever think that maybe – all this outrage and bellyaching is just manufactured – constructed and pushed by the leftist media who’s crocodile tears haven’t let up since last November? It’s really unbelievable – and people like you 2 morons just lap it up – useful idiots is what Karl Marx used to say – and you guys sure fit THAT description.

        Not to worry though – I’m used to it and understand how so many college ‘educated’ younger people have been systematically brainwashed by their professors and teachers since a young age – it’s not really your fault – and I feel sorry for you too. You don’t realize how lucky you are to be in the most prosperous and successful country ever – a place where countless immigrants want to live – a place filled with generous freedom loving people and a a constitution that respects individual liberty and private property – perfect? – hell no – but where else would you rather be?

        • Gary Smith

          I wasn’t commenting on the article at all. I was only responding to your hysterical comment on this being a functioning Republic. And I’M the one who’s clueless…

          I couldn’t care less if someone doesn’t stand for the anthem or “disrespects” the flag. On the other hand, I also couldn’t care less if someone wants to worship the flag. Knock yourself out. It’s a piece of cloth that means something to some, something else to others, and absolutely nothing to me. It doesn’t represent me or who I am or what I believe in.

          I can’t answer your last question. If there were a place on this planet I could go and be left alone by armed gangs of thieves and murders and the unthinking and immoral statists who support them, I’d already be there.

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      Where is this “functioning Republic that limits government” you speak of?! Last time I checked, we had cops on the street killing innocent, unarmed citizens-and getting away with it, the NSA and every other alphabet soup agency spying upon citizens in unrestrained fashion, a small, private army of pseudo “security” agents groping and debasing ordinary citizens at airports, civil asset seizures against citizens for the suspicion of a crime they didn’t commit-like taking “too much” of their own cash out of the bank, illegal wars against other, sovereign nations and a government seeking to expand it’s imperial reach. Just a few examples. Limited government? Horseshit…

    • g.johnon

      how can you suggest that irritating the backsides of the easily offended is not an accomplishment?

  • Underestimated

    For the author: No boycott is infringing on anyone’s rights. They can have all the free speech they want and I have the right to not watch or listen. It’s a two way street. Further, they are engaged in a private enterprise. The owners have every right and ability to put a stop to it. If they want their free speech they can go stand on the corner in their free time and shout about whatever they want. That is free speech. Constitutional rights protect individuals from the government. They don’t dictate that your fellow citizens must listen to you.

    • g.johnon

      i think you overestimate yourself. but go ahead and boycott, i will continue to watch. the game is legit, the palyers and most of the coaches are legit. it is when you get up into the foul air of the ownership class that things begin to get all twilight zone.
      trump fucking blew it by attacking the first amendment with the same zeal as obama attacked the second. wake your ass up and stop being a chump. the enemy of we the people is the sociopath. period.

      • Underestimated

        One, I don’t have to boycott. I stopped watching the National Felon League years ago. And my statement has nothing to do with support for or lack thereof for the President. The point is that he did not attack free speech. Freedom of Speech as enshrined in the Constitution is a protection against the State. It does not apply in private settings. It doesn’t protect you from me or me from you or the overpaid diva’s from the wrath of the public. …period.

        • g.johnon

          as a natural right that is enumerated in the bill of rights, free speech absolutely does apply to “private” settings.
          considering how much of a contribution those “divas” give to the revenue machine that is the nfl, and considering how much of a share in those revenues they actually receive. they are actually somewhere between adequately paid and underpaid.
          yeah, they seem to be overpaid when you compare them to the lions share of the american labor market, but mostly, those who claim that they are overpaid are basically reacting from envy. and the american labor market is basically getting screwed, blued and tattooed.
          as for the wrath of the public. that has become so easily controlled by the “powers that be” that it is disgraceful. the vast majority of americans have become morons. thank god that this is a republic.

          • Underestimated

            OK time for a little review here and then I’m done wasting my time:
            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
            prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
            speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
            assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            I don’t see the President listed there. “Congress shall make no law”. The President has freedom of speech too. He can mouth off all he wants. You may not like what he says but as you can see above the Congress shall make no law to stop him. Unless he signs a law, executive order or sends out the police, nobody’s rights have been violated. You can call me all the names you want. You can say the President is acting inappropriately if you want. Maybe he is in your opinion but legally speaking according to the above “Freedom of Speech” you are still wrong.

          • g.johnon

            i watched that meally mouthed snake jeffy sessions try to make that same argument on tv last night about the president also having free speech.
            true enough, but what both you and jeffy seem to be ignoring is that the pos is the one person on the planet who needs most to be aware of the repercussions of everything he says. when he uses his right to free speech to say something rock box stupid and blatantly inflammatory, he is not only undermining his own credibility but is also calling into serious question his ability to lead.
            in my opinion, even though i gave him my vote, i am done with the man. his one remaining quality is in the fact that he is not hillary.
            however, as of now, the fact that he is the trump, has become a liability.

  • amongoose

    Failed? It ain’t gotten warmed up yet much less on tha field ta play.
    Has Targets stock regained it’s former heights yet or posted sales increases?
    .
    The instant gratification society has infected your minds, we are in this for the long haul. You expect instant results.
    Think back, back to 2010 when we started standin up, look at state legislatures, governorships, and what is happening in senate races in Alabama and Arizona.

  • endofwatchersbegan1/28/2011

    Respecting the BLOOD of the fallen who gave their lives for Liberty is NOT a “Conservative” or “Liberal” thing, unless YOU are one of the DIVIDERS. That is a term we need to promote, because THAT is exactly what they are. DIVIDERS. Time for “DEATH TO THE DIVIDERS”.

  • Excuse me!!!!

    “Trump also appealed to his followers and asked them to boycott the sport until players refuse to give up their right of free speech.”

    Are you fucking serious? Who writes this Anti-American garbage? If you don’t have respect for the flag and the nation- fucking LEAVE. Try pulling this shit anywhere else.

    • g.johnon

      so when you leaving?

  • SP_88

    I don’t watch these sports. It’s mindless drivel to me. So I don’t care what they do. Furthermore, the last time I checked, this was America, a place where anyone could say what they wanted or express themselves however they wanted because the first amendment rights we have say so, regardless of who might be offended by it. But apparently it’s only free speech if everyone agrees with it, which is what I thought the message of the left was along with the likes of antifa and other anti-American scrum. So why are otherwise intelligent people suddenly so upset that these overpaid crybabies are expressing their first amendment rights? Suddenly people want to shut down their free speech because they don’t like it. Well I have news for you. It’s their right to kneel down for the national anthem. I don’t agree with their reason for doing it. But I support their right to do it. Just like everyone needs to support the right to boycott them. If you don’t agree with their position, show them by not watching their games, buying their merchandise or supporting them in any way.
    But don’t be a fuckin hypocrite and say that they don’t have a right to kneel for the national anthem.

    • dav1bg

      I’m just not so sure they are doing it voluntarily, when “everybody” on the team is required to do it.

      • SP_88

        I didn’t realize that everyone on the team was required to kneel. Is it just this particular team that is being required to kneel?
        I can see from the picture that they are all kneeling down. And I find it hard to believe that all of them feel the same way about the national anthem or whatever it is that they are protesting by kneeling. Although it’s not impossible that they all had some sort of discussion, and came to an agreement about kneeling together as a team.
        But either way, if they are being required to kneel, it takes away the whole “freedom of expression” thing, which was the point of kneeling down in the first place. Plus, by doing so, they are hurting themselves by pissing off their fans.
        It makes no sense unless there is some agenda being pushed.

  • Americanmommy

    This is my flag, this is my national anthem , this is my nation and if you want to protest on your own time, NOT ON THE JOB on my time, you can. But me I love my VETS PAST AND PRESENT, I love my nation. Shame on the rich, elite, million dollar sports players who think that they need to bring protests into sports that are against my flag, my nation, my vets. BOYCOTT.

    • jimmy joe

      I got news for you, the very people against your flag/nation, etc are the govt terrorists that reside in dc!! If this stupid shit actually offends you, I can only imagine how offended you were when you found out the gulf of tonkin incident was a false flag event, costing who knows how many innocent vietnamese’ peoples lives, or even that other false flag event more commonly referred to as “9/11”??

    • g.johnon

      so, you call yourself american,, but you seem to have a real problem with the first amendment. curious.

  • It is not Paranoia

    It’s hilarious that the fact that someone kneels can stir so much shit.

    Oh humans, the most intelligent species….

    • g.johnon

      earth is currently being used as an asylum, i thought everyone knew that.
      mankind is just a goofy bunch trying to act like we mean something to the universe. we don’t.

  • lilred

    Nfl= illuminati
    Don’t waste my time watching that mindless crap

    • g.johnon

      “nfl=illuminati”. now that is some serious mindless crap.

      • lilred
        • g.johnon

          i have already, elsewhere in this thread, given my opinion of the corporate, ownership and management structure of the nfl. and if you would have singled that aspect of the nfl out in your misleading little formula, i may well have agreed.
          but, you just threw the legitimated game, legitimate players and the mostly legit coaches into the mix with not so much as a feeble attempt at discernment.
          ergo, serious mindless crap.
          and not unlike the serious mindless crap that was actually being protested by these american citizen football players.
          you kinda remind me of trumpy. ‘i believe in the right to protest unless i disagree with what is being protested.’ and before you get to filling your shorts again, that was, of course, a paraphrase.

      • lilred

        Believe what you will, but a majority of the owners of these teams are part of the illuminati machine.

        • g.johnon

          if you were to say that most nfl owners are self absorbed, fatass shitstains with more money than brains, i would agree with you.
          but if you are going to say they are members of the illuminati. (some may well be) you are going to have to bring in the evidence.

          and i won’t be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

        • Which is mostly extinct fantasy.

  • B-Town

    I have no problem with athletes protesting- on their own time. When they do so as employees it is different. The NFL has been pushing a liberal/globalist agenda for years now. After Sandy Hook they pushed gun control. They are also the recipients of tax payer subsidies, so yes, the taxpayers have a say in this. I enjoy football, but won’t support the never ending propaganda that has become the NFL.

    • g.johnon

      b-town, these nfl players are not employees. they are sovereign individual private contractors. their right to protest 24/7 on any american soil is constitutionally assured.
      please don’t call yourself a patriot when you are nothing more than a red white and blue jingo bunny.

      • B-Town

        So how does the NFL have the ability to levy fines on them genius? Where were you when the NFL fined players for exercising their 1st Amendment rights to celebrate in the end zone? Did you cry foul when the league told the Dallas Cowboys they couldn’t honor the fallen officers last year? Where was the outcry for them? Keep licking the globalist masters’ boots pussy.

        • g.johnon

          bring into question events from the past and use implications to suggest how i may have reacted to them; to make what argument exactly?
          my globalist masters. uh huh, show your support material for that blatantly moronic accusation.

          “pussy” we are going to need your evidentiary sources for that one too, bitch.
          just so we can say you had the opportunity to know. my distaste here is for idiots who think the flag is more important than the constitution and specifically, the bill of rights.

          so, you may want to pull your tongue from the dog shit on the bottom of the trumpster’s boots and try for a clue before your next spew.

          • B-Town

            Be a good troll and go back under your bridge now. Show your evidence of how NFL players are independent contractors. Your assertion that anyone can protest 24/7 while technically true for those unemployed does not apply to those with jobs. An employer can restrict what an employee does on company time. I never said they can’t protest, I said they should do it on their own time, not company time. If the company (The NFL) allows them to so be it, that is their right. It is also my right, as well as the right of others to boycott their product. You may want to learn some grammar and proper sentence structure as well.

          • g.johnon

            see, it is train wrecks like that post that happen when you refuse to take sound advice and get a clue before you spew.
            i am a troll now because i value the constitution over the flag. you are living in an ugly little world b-t.
            really? i need evidence to show how nfl players are independent contractors? god damn, just when i think you are at your thickest, you surprise.
            the nfl can only restrict a player from protesting directly before the game if: it is in the player/ team contract expressly; or if it is in the nfl/players union contract. so, you are going to have to bring it once again, or you are just blowing more smoke.
            as for your feeble attempt at grammar police; blow me.

          • Dotar Sojat

            The 12th Man strikes again. If you weren’t so blinded by your love for your team, you might realize that you are supporting a bunch of overpaid crybabies. I get it. G.Johnon loves him some football and will defend it with his dying breath. Let me ask you this; if you die tomorrow, will anyone from the team, (from Paul Allen all the way down to the guy who does the Seahawks x-rays, Tony Anderson) attend your funeral? I think not. It’s a fun game to watch, but if you don’t believe that it has been bought and paid for by NWO dollars then you are completely ignorant. The Saints win after Hurricane Katrina, the Patriots after the Boston Marathon Bombing the list of fixed games and phony drama is endless…it’s as if the NFL has become one of the major propaganda arms of the U.S. Government, and nobody gives a hoot as long as they feel like their team may be in the running to make the SuperBowl.

          • g.johnon

            lol, how long did it take you to google up tony anderson just so you could stick a little cherry on top of your rambling, bile filled non-sequitur?
            yeah, i enjoy football dotar. i consider it a great game. you are absolutely free to express your own opinion about it as well. but i am not going to get into a meaningless pissing match with you over whether football is good or bad, or the players are over paid (maybe kinda, but not really).
            in a different forum i would love to,. but its not the topic here.
            using the fact that the patriots won a football game to bolster your claim of a fix is kinda ridiculouse since there is about a 90% chance in any given week that the patriots will win a football game.
            only slightly more compelling but not really compelling at al, is your saints example. considering their history, there was more that a 50% chance that they would win a football game. so….
            i have had the pleasure of sitting down and talking to a few nfl player and i do know a couple of past players. i can tell you with confidence that these guys would never take a fall for anyone or anything. to do so, would destroy them in the eyes of their peers and in the blow to their own self respect.
            i could conceivably see where certain coaches could be bought, but the players would instantly smell a rat if a coach tried to throw a game.
            your paranoia seem boundless dotar. as does your capacity for knee jerk reaction.

          • Dotar Sojat

            Didn’t google him, I personally know him….and as for your point about the Saints, it’s absolute hogwash. That Saints were absolutely outclassed and beaten by a Brett Favre led Vikings team, yet for some strange reason they pulled it out? Of course the multiple “roughing the passer” penalties that didn’t get called which led to turnovers. Not to mention “bounty-gate” which anyone with half a brain who was watching the game just for the love of the sport could see that the game was clearly being called in favor of an inferior Saints team. And it doesn’t take ANY players to be in on a fixed game. Just ONE carefully placed referee and sometimes just being told to turn a blind eye, or throw a flag when one isn’t warranted or even to pick a flag up when directed, which happens more often now than ever (due to the refs taking guidance through their ear-pieces directly from Jersey.) Whenever there are billions of dollars involved in any equation, which the NFL makes on the front end annually not even counting the billions in gambling (ie. fantasy football), there is too much at stake to simply leave the whole thing up to chance. Doesn’t it seem a little bit odd to you that calls are no longer dictated by the officiating crew on the field? I mean, they throw the flags when they see a foul, but how many times have you watched a replay, the analysts in the booth have watched the replay, the officials who made the call seem to have initially gotten it right, all to the chagrin of every true fan and player out there because the call is overturned, seemingly out of thin air. The officials aren’t going under the hood to evaluate what they already know to be true, they’re taking orders from the league office and whoever replaced Dean Blandino. Funny how a former comedian Italian in New Jersey is dictating what happens on the football field instead of the guys in stripes.

          • Dotar Sojat

            I also wanted to point out that your support of the players being allowed to speak their minds due to their human rights (not “Constitutional” rights btw because that would infer that the source of the rights is the U.S. Constitution…which it isn’t, but I digress) is a little misplaced, being that the NFL regularly limits the player’s abilities to speak their minds in defense of or against anything that the corporation itself has embraced as an official stance. Take the Michael Vick incident, the Ray Rice incident, or even the Michael Sam media circus. The NFL has been using itself as a platform to push its ever-changing opinions of right and wrong onto the American public for years. If players dared to go against the NFL’s official “cause” of the week, they would be fined, threatened, or suspended, all for exercising their God given rights to speak their minds. Were you advocating for Clinton Portis when he exercised his “1st Amendment Rights” in support of Michael Vick when it was discovered he was running a dog-fighting ring? Were you calling “bullshit” on your precious NFL when it fined and suspended Don Jones for daring to make a comment against Michael Sam and the gay mafia?

          • g.johnon

            the constitution does not create rights, it protects human rights from legislation and the mob majority.
            if a human right has been enumerated in the bill of rights, it is known as a constitutional right. if a human right has not been enumerated it is still, theoretically protected, but, in reality, harder to defend, lawyers being lawyers and all.
            so basically, a constitutional right is an uninfringeable right protected in writing.
            you really should know that already dotar.
            your examples of bad acting human football players is irrelevant to this conversation as would be any reaction that i may or may not have had to each particular case.
            my dog in this race is my disgust of trump using his bully pulpit to say that those who were protesting injustice were disrespecting the flag; because his actions illustrate so blatantly how socially stupid is our current president. i still thank god that he is not obama or hilary, but remain convinced that trump is not the answer to anything that is, in the long or short run, going to turn out to be good for we the people. i am convinced that the donald was put in place to keep the great corporate gouge alive. and he seems to be hard at it while the sheeple bleat and people sleep.
            those kneeling players are not disrespecting the flag, but showing disrespect for those who use the flag as an emotional bludgeon against freedom, justice and apple pie.
            its really simple if you take an objective look and take a minute to listen to what those players are saying. they, for the most part, are really quite eloquent about it.

          • Dotar Sojat

            I’m quite aware of what the players are saying, I just don’t really care about what they are saying. Look, if those crybabies wanted me to hear about their intellectual acumen, they chose the wrong profession. I have been a huge fan of professional sports, especially the NFL, and have attended games across the U.S., but I don’t spend my hard earned dollars to hear a political opinion, however valid it may be, from someone who can lift a truck, and run a 40 yard dash in 4.5 seconds. I am the customer, and I’m paying top dollar to see those guys display their skill on the gridiron. That IS why their paychecks are so large. If they wanted to rant about the injustices in America or the world in general, have at it. I just refuse to pay over 200 dollars a ticket to watch an extremely wealthy, physically gifted human, talk about crap that everyone else can talk about on a daily basis, and most do. I pay those ticket prices to watch those guys do what everyone else CAN’T do.

          • g.johnon

            so, in which game, in which players knelt for the anthem, did you not get the full 60 minutes of full out skills being displayed on the field?

          • Dotar Sojat

            Sorry for the delayed response. It isn’t about whether I got a full display of skill after all of their Tom-foolery. It’s the fact that most Americans who pay for a product don’t want the person making their cheeseburger telling them about how he feels and that life isn’t fair. Imagine going to a movie and instead of the 20th Century Fox logo and trumpets, it was replaced by a little PSA about how we should never buy fur or leather products….for the sake of the animals….or whatever other pet cause they chose to buy into. I can guarantee that I would promptly march out and demand a refund for that movie. I am not paying to having someone else’s political agenda shoved down my throat. I am paying to get away from all of that and to be distracted for a couple hours. If they want to bring politics into the NFL, so be it. I will just not patronize their business as long as they continue to do so.

          • g.johnon

            fair enough dotar. so, that being said. what the hell are we saluting a flag before the game for anyway? what is all this goddam military presence at the games all about? somebody is sure as hell using the nfl as a platform to fill america’s head with the message of jingo anymore than i need to hear trump tell me the flag is more important than simple freedom of choice or the constitution itself.
            i didn’t need to see jimmy kimmel blithering about gun control after the las vegas shootiings either. but people who have a voice are always going to look for the opportunity to be heard, and that is just something i have to live with if i believe in the right to speak your mind even though i would really love to take a baseball bat to mr. kimmel for his abject and potentially lethal leftoid shallowness.

          • Dotar Sojat

            I also do not care whether or not they kneel in response to the American flag. What I do care about though, is that it isn’t about the freedom to kneel that these useful idiots are pushing for, it’s about MAKING everyone else go along with the groupthink and stifling anyone else’s opinion about it. Look at Alejandro Villanueva and tell me it isn’t about bullying everyone else into the same “cause.” That former Army Ranger had to APOLOGIZE for standing for the National Anthem and has already been labeled a racist for daring to think differently than the rest of the sheep. And you think the people who are following Trump are sheeple? Ask most of the people what they are kneeling about and they won’t even have a real answer for you. They’ll give you some hollow, canned answer about police brutality against the black man right? Dig deeper than the surface and it isn’t hard to see that the whole “cause” is a play on people’s pride and ignorance, and a bald-faced attempt at further dividing Americans.

          • g.johnon

            villanueva did not have to apologize, he chose to because he felt he threw his team mates under the bus. he was also quite eloquent about the reasons for his apology. he was being texted by real useful idiots. jingo jacked veterans, the type that hide behind the false ideal of fighting for american freedom to avoid having to deal with the simple and obvious truth that they are really fighting for western corporate imperialism. (see gen. smedley butler)

            he was under great pressure from jingoists on several fronts along with the fact that this was all taking place at soldier field. (god help us).
            this country has no chance to survive both the powers that be that are destroying her with gleeful malice and the brainwashed masses on both sides of the two party political aisle.

            to say that these players are pushing for the right to kneel during the anthem when that right is already secure is ridiculous. there may be a bit of protest against folks like you who seem to want to take that right away from us all by instilling the false idea that your human rights disappear when you go to work. but mostly, no, that is not what they are kneeling about.

            instead of getting your panties all bunched up over some jingoistic horse crap, you might want to listen to them. they are making some very good points.

            the flag is a piece of cloth, largely manufactured in china these days. the constitution is the fucking supreme law of the land.

          • Dotar Sojat

            …..and I agree with your assessment of The Donald being put in the place that he is in. He never would have made it past the primaries had he not been bought and paid for by the elite establishment.

          • g.johnon

            he is a total turd. but still….he is NOT hillary.

  • Joel W

    Is this really the most pressing issue of the day?

  • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

    Not at all-any form of non violent disagreement is valid. But let’s not stand on soap boxes and proclaim that one is somehow disrespecting the memory of those who served when what they are actually doing IS honoring them by exercising their rights. You cannot have it both ways-“those brave men died protecting your rights-how dare you actually go out and exercise them!” There is Patriotism and there is nationalism. They are mutually exclusive and very different, particularly within the context of a Constitutional Republic. Posters on this site mix, mingle and confuse the two. In the interest of full disclosure, I don’t happen to agree with the players, but I support their right to protest. Not only have they done no harm, they have succeeded-with the help of the MSM-at generating attention and dialogue regarding race issues. It may not be very positive, but at least people are talking again. In my opinion, that is a step in the right direction.

    • Johningb

      Twisted reasoning at best. Agenda driven for sure. I chose not to watch NFL,NBA or any other group who doesn’t believe what I believe nor will I willfully associate with them. That is my constitutional right for which you seem to have less regard than you do for these overpaid babies, who, most likely don’t even know what they’re kneeling for. I suppose your Avatar says it all.

      • They don’t care what you believe as long as you are willing to make them richer by buying all of the overpriced stuff that they sell to people with more money than sense.

      • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

        My “agenda” is to support the Constitutional Rights of others, whom I may disagree with, no matter if it is painful to do so. Constitutional Rights are funny, fickle things. Sometimes you have to swallow their application even though it may taste like a turd to do it. I support the right of gun control zealots to spout their nonsense, even though I hate and disagree with every word coming from them. No one is asking you to associate with people or groups who are ideologically opposed to you. It is your right and I applaud you for exercising that right. By all means-drive on! Many of the players probably don’t know what they’re kneeling for-beyond anger, disgust and being generally butt hurt by Trump’s tongue lashing of them. Like any other kind of protest, there is no requirement nor metric for it’s relative merit. The very fact that there has been such an emotionally opposite reaction to all of this only reinforces my belief that it has been orchestrated in order to foment discord. Unfortunately, the Sheeple-on both sides of the political duopoly-have taken the bait. If I didn’t know better, I would say that it appears the People WANT to be divided. I’m sorry more people can’t see that. What is it about the avatar with you anyway?

    • There is patriotism and nationalism, and then there is jingoism.

  • g.johnon

    ah good dr., since you prove to know very little about what that flag stands for, it would seem that you are the one guilty of its abuse.

  • tscull

    STFU, nobody wants to take away anyone’s 1st Amendment rights here. But, for these NFL EMPLOYEES to be able to use the “bully pulpit” (which doesn’t belong to them, but to the fans) of the nationally televised games to display their political opinions to a captive audience, that overwhelmingly doesn’t agree with them, and is paying for these fools to become wealthy, is bullshit! They can protest ON THEIR OWN TIME, not when they are being displayed to the nation as role models and sports celebrities! Any employer has the right to enforce conduct rules upon their employees, even rules that inhibit 1st Amendment rights while AT WORK!

  • dav1bg

    And who are they on their knees for? You kneel before the Queen, or a dictator. You kneel before god. So who is it?

  • g.johnon

    the whole left right paradigm is for losers who cannot think for themselves. (majority thanks to our systems of “education” and “news media”.
    this whole thing has nothing to do with right vs left. and making it out like that is just another moronic way to rid yourself of the burden of having to pay attention.