More Than One Vegas Shooter, the Evidence Builds

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Lone shooter? Really? And this is supposed to be more than a convenient fantasy?

Yesterday, I did a brief analysis of the number of people killed and wounded at the Vegas Concert (573) in roughly four and half minutes, which is the police estimate of the duration of the attack.

The lone shooter killed or wounded 2.1 persons per second. It is HIGHLY doubtful Paddock could have done that. His distance from the concert, his lack of professional skill, his state of mind, among other factors, rule against it.

Any competent and honest law-enforcement analyst would see a huge red flag right away.

But of course, multiple shooters destroys the official narrative and opens the door to an investigation that could expose, for example, an intentional false flag operation.

Here is a piece of Jeff Rense’s analysis of rate-of-fire vs. people struck by bullets. It cuts to the core of the absurd lone shooter assumption:

“…a potential MAXIMUM of only 360 rounds could be fired at full auto burst with NO magazine changes in the approximate four minutes or 240 seconds of the shooting!”

“So, Paddock didn’t fire 360 rounds in 240 seconds because he had to stop and change magazines…probably 30 round mags. That would be THIRTEEN magazine changes in the 240 seconds. And it is reported he fired from both broken out windows in the room/s.”

“Survivors state there were shooting pauses and that is when they would run.”

“Let’s say Paddock managed to get off an amazing 300 rounds in 4 minutes (or 240 seconds) and hit someone with EVERY ROUND.”

“Remember, there were 573 killed and wounded according to late statistics.”

“WHO, then, fired off the other full-auto 273 rounds also without missing a single shot ?!”

Another man who apparently has significant professional background re weapons has sent me his detailed analysis:

“There is NO WAY in hell that this inexperienced guy was able to hit 500+ people, at a down sloping range of approximately 250-350 yards using a make-shift weapon modified to shot automatically. Here are some reasons why and you can check with other experts to verify my points.”

“1. It was dark and no matter how well lit, there are many shadows to hide in.

2. Simple a ‘sear’ (pronounced see-er) modification would have only permitted one entire magazine to shoot all at once with no select fire (being able to start and stop).

3. There are some devices (like AutoGlove and Bump Fire) that can simulate full automatic fire, but they cannot be used accurately or effectively.

4. Even if the shooter was able to somehow obtain a full normal functioning automatic rifle, anyone with military experience can tell you that the rifles are difficult to control when firing more than 3 round bursts – especially a .308 or AK47 type. This is because the rifle will uncontrollably rise if automatic fire is constant.

5. After the first 15 or so seconds, the crowd scattered and took cover.

6. I don’t have a count of how many pieces of empty brass (fired rounds) they have recovered, but knowing how many shots were fired compared to how many people were hit will tell you the hit ratio. If this guy did this in 20 seconds, we needed him desperately in Afghanistan!

7. To fire 500 aimed shoots and swap out magazines would have taken him about 15-20 minutes, and there is no way that each shot would have hit someone – more than likely would have missed.”

“To put in perspective…. Say a guy purchases an expensive bolt action rifle in .308 with a nice expensive scope. Without experience, someone would have to mount the scope for him and do a rough sighting in with a laser. This individual then takes this rifle to a range in broad daylight with no stress and using a bench rest and breathing techniques and all the time in the world and fires at a target 300 yards. It is possible, but doubtful if that person could hit a large refrigerator at that range UNLESS they had LOTS OF PRACTICE and EXPERIENCE. For every 1 minute (1/60th of a degree) of angle change at the rifle, the bullet would vary by 3 inches at 300 yards. For this untrained guy to be wildly shooting with a high heart rate at nighttime? Well, bullets would be going everywhere!”

I fully understand that the estimates of 573 killed and wounded, and the police statement that all the shooting took place in four and half minutes, may be off. These figures may not be precise.

Nevertheless, they are a good and proper starting point. And even allowing for later adjustments, the evidence for multiple shooters and against a lone amateur like Paddock is stunning.

So why won’t law-enforcement take notice?

Because, in certain cases with great consequences, the overall agenda and the direction of an investigation are set from offices far higher than the positions of the actual detectives and agents on the scene.

“This is what we want to know. Only this. Everything else is off limits.”

But it’s not off limits for us.

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  • Thundarr the Barbarian

    It was a packed crowd of 20,000+ people. They couldn’t “scatter” at all, except at the fringes. There were many trampling and crush injuries. Bullets were flying everywhere, and no one knew where from. He only had to generally aim at the thickest part of the crowd, not target specific people. Bullets can hit more than person. There’s nothing strange about this, except the fact that he decided to do it at all.

    • camera1026 .

      Exactly

    • Hates Liberals

      You obviously know nothing about weapons. And of course you believe the government narrative. Typical sheeple!

      • USPatriotOne

        They are also missing the fact that another video caught someone on the 4th floor firing full auto into concert as well..!!! Commie/Sheeple make me sick! Most likely a Gov deep state Troll!

  • Bill Chokey

    This article was written by an idiot who doesnt even have his facts right.
    1. It was way longer than 4.5 mins. Theres a girls phone video recording almost 10 mins of the ordeal.
    2. They released pictures of the guns and he was using 100 round clips
    3. He doesnt need to be accurrate. 22000 people in a small area is like shooting fish is a barrell.

    • darkhorse

      it’s all bullshite! why read it? we know what it is!

    • Hates Liberals

      Typical gun grabber. It is a magazine, not a clip.

      • USPatriotOne

        I can tell when a person know nothing about firearms…when they call a magazine a clip!

    • Bill the eighth

      What, exactly, is a 100 round clip? Never heard of one, did you mean magazine?

  • Beauceron

    Yeah.

    I don’t know about that.

    He was not shooting at an individual, but at a massive crowd of 20,000 people. He didn’t have to aim at a specific target, but a mass of people.

    And my understanding is that the shooting went on for at least 10 minutes, not the “four minutes or 240 seconds of the shooting.”

    I do find one thing very strange: there has been nothing reported about a note left at the scene. Even assuming he was not motivated by politics or religion, and was just crazy, it would be unusual for them not to leave some type of communication– giving their reasons, their motive, or just complaining and making charges. He had to have prepared for this action for months or at least weeks, getting the right room, staking out the area, picking the date and venue, assembling the weapons and ammo. It was well planned and thought out. That means he had time to get his thoughts in order too. Even crazy people want to justify their actions.

    I find no reference to a note to be very suspicious and odd.

  • Milly Vanilly

    Adam Lanza was the 2nd shooter.
    Definite CIA Involvement in this OBVIOUS EXCUSE to go after guns AGAIN. The globalists will just KEEP TRYING until they disarm enough people to make THEIR One World government AGENDA an ‘EASIER’ takeover…WON’T HAPPEN.

  • Ratcraft

    I’m pretty sure these rounds zipped right through people and hit secondary targets. If he did use a slide fire you could blow though way more ammo than that. He probably had those other rifles already loaded ready to go. These guns would get really hot quick. It’s come out he filmed himself so we will find out soon enough.

    • Phil_Ossifer

      Assuming that we’re ever allowed to see the video, or all of it without censorship and editing. Remember, they still won’t release the video of the plane crashing into the Pentagramgon on 9/11, sixteen years later.

      • Ratcraft

        I saw some pics. One gun he had used a slide fire with a 100 round surefire mag. I hope they don’t release the video. Don’t need the firearm illiterate psychos to learn how to use these.

  • Michael Keith

    I’m not sure how else to say this, but whoever wrote what you quoted was just plain wrong. Bump firing rifles can achieve more than one round per second.

    Listening to the videos, you can hear that the shot bursts are a lot longer than 30 round magazines could support. Also, you can hear that the gaps between bursts are in excess of 10 seconds.

    I would suggest to you that a 5 round/second rate of fire is not unreasonable for even a bump-fired rifle. Using beta-c mags (100 round capacities) would account for the long bursts as well as the abnormally long pauses between bursts (increased reloading times).

    At a rate of five rounds per second, assuming a ~15 second reload time (time it yourself, the pauses are long), this gives you about two beta-c mags (including a generous reloading time) per minute. At ~4.5 minutes, that’s gonna give you between 800 and 1,000 rounds spent.

    The vantage point would play in the shooter’s favor. As would how tightly packed the people were. The lighting and distance would not.

    I do not think it is unreasonable at all, given the above, that a single shooter could cause 500 casualties. These people weren’t scrambling. A portion didn’t even understand it was gunfire (you can hear them in the videos saying it’s fireworks or a part of the show).

    I like this site, but things like this — seemingly pushed out in a rush — really don’t do anything except help to discredit the site as a whole.

  • Phil_Ossifer

    Too many things about this whole incident don’t make sense but the one thing that seems obvious is that there was more than one shooter, probably several of them. Wouldn’t surprise me if the “investigation” eventually says that all the casualties were hit by a single bullet and the multiple gunshots were just echoes. Hey, worked for the Warren Commission, didn’t it….? [/SARCASM]

  • straight shooter

    As always with attacks like this, there are many, many things that simply don’t add up and are clearly not what has been reported in the MSM. Here is an excellent piece that does a much better analysis than I could. If you’re buying the official crap, you won’t want to read this, because it’ll make you actually have to use your brain.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html

  • Gil G

    “A mass shooting couldn’t have been caused by some guy with a gun – it must have another guy with a gun.” – conspiracy losers.

  • disqus_RgtKFDNvqO

    Right? lol

  • Jim

    Wounded does not mean that they were shot. The figure would include someone who twisted their ankle while running or a bad cut or scrape diving for the ground.

  • rio9000

    This “analysis” is way off base. For starters, we don’t know yet how many people were injured by bullets, or even how many of the dead were killed by gunfire. I imagine that many people were injured, some possibly even killed, in the ensuing panic as the crowed rushed to get out of the killing zone.

  • Mack

    This article has no merit. At a perched position he rained down lead, spray and pray is what its called. The injuries collaborate no aiming was done, it was all over the place which solidifies the method of raining down bullets indiscriminately. 59 fatalities probably head wounds, 500 injuries and not all of them were gun shots so burning through twenty 30 round magazines is very realistic. 22K people all huddled together, you could close your eyes and hit people.

  • Andy Chia

    FAKE NEWS Nothing to see here.

  • Rey d’Tutto

    In order to determine the feasibility of a “lone gunman” scenario IRT Las Vegas, we need the injury breakdown. There are at least three sources of injury in this situation; gunfire, crowd, and environment.
    Gunfire startles crowd, how many are crushed or trampled? How many folks hurt themselves getting to cover, tripping or slamming into concrete or cars? Finally, how many were directly injured via gunfire?
    Without that breakdown, or without counting the brass left at the crime scene, guesstimating the probability of one shooter’s ability to create the reported.damage is much closer.to guess than estimate.

  • dav1bg

    A friend who was there that night said they were aware of 5 shooters. Any of the bullets matching up to the guns in the room?

  • Christopher White

    I have a question:We know that these hotel/casinos have numerous cameras. There are cameras in the parking garage, at the entrances, at the check-in desk, on the casino floors, in the elevator lobbies, in the elevator cars and at the stair wells. With all the cameras and it had to take a dozen trips to tote all that weaponry and ammunition to the room, WHERE ARE THE VIDEOS?