Morality: The Hard Line Between Revolutionary and Terrorist

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In a war, it appears that it’s easy to become just as bad as the monsters that you are fighting.

Just ask the survivors of a killing spree in Afghanistan last March, when US soldiers went on a rampage, killing 17 civilians, 9 of them children. Only one soldier, Army Staff Sgt Robert Bales, was charged but the witnesses have a different story:

One mother-of-six, whose husband was killed during the incident, believes there were as many as 20 people involved.

She told SBS Dateline journalist Yalda Hakim: ‘When they shot dead my husband, I tried to drag him into the house, they’d shot him in the head so his brain was all over my hands. I had to use a bowl for his blood.

‘I saw more than 20 people when I looked out the house. The Americans pointed their guns at me and threatened me, telling me not to leave the house or they’d kill me.’

Another witness, an eight-year-old girl called Noorbinak, said a gunman shot her family’s dog before shooting her father in the foot and dragging her mother by the hair.

When her father screamed, he was shot dead, before the gunman shot Noorbinak in the leg.

She said: ‘One man entered the room and the others were standing in the yard, holding lights.’

The brother of another victim claimed that his nephews and nieces saw numerous soldiers involved in the assault, all wearing headlamps and with lights strapped to the ends of their guns.

He said: ‘They don’t know whether there were 15 or 20, however many there were.’


If it seems somehow more acceptable that this happened across the world in a 3rd world country with whom we were at war, then how about an example closer to home?  The law-abiding, legal gun owners of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, would also bear witness to the savagery of which those in uniform are capable.

“Few Americans realize that on February 28, 1993 when Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (“BATF”) agents in National Guard helicopters zoomed in on the Branch Davidians’ church and home, Mount Carmel Center, they did so with guns blazing, like Americans raiding a Vietnamese village in that far off war….These agents shot wildly and threw grenades at the building for more than an hour, even as Davidians called “911” to beg for a ceasefire….For weeks the FBI sabotaged negotiations through lies, threats and insults, destruction of property, shining of bright lights, blaring of loud music and violent sounds, and terrifying helicopter overflights and fake tank rammings….Their goal was to destroy the building and its damaging evidence, even if that meant the massacre of dozens of men, women and children, all witnesses to the brutal attack….On April 19, 1993, the FBI used its tanks systematically to turn Mount Carmel into a lethal fire trap. Tanks collapsed the trap door leading to the underground tornado shelter and all three staircases. Tanks rammed a concrete room sheltering dozens of Davidians until the ceiling collapsed, killing women and children before the fire. Long booms saturated the building with flammable gas, probably mixed with flammable solvents…Attorney General Janet Reno and the Justice Department were not content with murdering 82 Davidians, 61 of them women and children. They were intent upon prosecuting and punishing the few survivors whose “crime” was defending themselves against an unprovoked paramilitary assault.”


It’s very clear that hostility is boiling up in America right now.  The lines of battle are being drawn.  On the one side, there are Patriots who are enraged at the systematic desecration of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. On the other are those who are shredding those same documents, legislation by legislation.  The fight is on between liberty and tyranny.

As emotions run high, so do the comments on different forums and websites.  People are buckling on their theoretical swords because the battle is near.

But when that battle comes, what will these people do?  How will people behave in the heat of battle?  Will they maintain their ethics and remember that the fight is against evil or will they fight fire with fire?  Will those on the side of freedom become as monstrous and tyrannical as the people they are fighting against?

Wherefore the greater care must be taken to temper it with humanity, lest by too much imitating beasts we absolutely forget the man.

~ Hugo Grotus, Morality of War

If we become the same inhumane monsters as those who would oppress us, what, then, is the point?  If you behave dishonorably, then how can you consider yourself morally superior to those upon whom you are waging war?  There is a line between war and terrorism.No matter what your initial intentions and motivations, once you cross that line, you are just as evil as those you purport to defeat.

To quote my good friend, American freeman patriot, N.O., “We just can’t afford to become animals in such circumstances.  We all, for the sake of our own moral survival and our communities’ moral survival, must step up and become the law of the land, and stand by it .”

If people are fighting for freedom from a perspective of morals, then rules of engagement must apply.  Mercy must be present.  Warriors must be people of honor and control.  The Geneva Convention, ratified in 1949, is very clear on these concepts:

  • Non-combatants must not be targeted for violence or attacks on their personal dignity.
  • Extensive destruction or appropriation of property should not occur in a wanton fashion.

This means that innocent lives should be spared.  This means that the widespread destruction of homes, the pillaging of private property and the razing of the countryside – these actions are out of bounds.  It doesn’t matter who the innocents are related to.  It doesn’t matter who the innocents voted for, whether they are a different race or whether they swipe an EBT card to pay for their groceries.  Non-combatants should be spared  and should absolutely never be directly targeted by any soldier on either side.

The victims of war have changed over the past 100 years.

  • At the beginning of the twentieth century only 10%-15% of those who died in war were civilians.
  • In World War 2 more than 50% of those who died were civilians.
  • By the end of the century over 75% of those killed in war were civilians.


Whether or not the other side adheres to the principles of war should not play in to one’s own ethical decisions.  The concept of total war is unnecessary, immoral, and a step into the abyss of evil. (Total war is defined by Google as “A war that is unrestricted in terms of the weapons used, the territory or combatants involved, or the objectives pursued, esp. one in which the laws of war are disregarded.“)

Those who would lead must lead by example.  They must seriously consider their moral compasses and then direct their followers accordingly.

The consummate leader cultivates the moral law, and strictly adheres to method and discipline;

thus it is in his power to control success.

~ Sun Tzu, The Art of War

If being on the high road and side of goodness aren’t enough to convince people that their actions should be above reproach, then consider the importance of public opinion.

Wars are won and lost on the tide of public opinion.  No one will fight more viciously than  an opponent whose innocent family has been slaughtered. No one will be more determined than a person protecting home and loved ones. Committing acts of evil gives the impetus of righteous anger to who were victims of the atrocities.

In a letter on this topic, N.O. wrote,

“We all need to take the high road on this or we will fail in our efforts.  Public opinion will win or lose you the war.   We must protect their lives even more so than our own women and children .  Why? … because eventually the war will end and the more brutal we are the more they will fight us to the death; the more our own women and children will suffer and die.  WE MUST STAY ON THE HIGH ROAD.”

Behaviors like targeting non-combatants makes the force that commits such acts the “bad guys”.  It doesn’t matter what they began by defending or fighting for – committing evil means that you are evil.  People will fear you and they will not support or aid you willingly.  You become someone to fight against, not for. N.O. explained this from a strategic standpoint.

“If you start killing, abusing and defiling the non-combatant innocent women and children on either side of the conflict …  you will lose the support of the non-combatant public at large ! You will lose your access to local supplies, intel, clean water, food, and will soon be fighting not only a government army (who are now more determined to fight you to the death to protect their own women and children), but also fighting against the local guerrillas, who are fighting you just to protect their women and children from you and your men.  They will stand their ground and fight with a vengeance to their death or yours.”

More compelling than even this is the thought that patriots are the people who hope to rebuild an ethical, moral society.  How can people behave as animals and expect to create a good, pure and just society?  Remember what you are fighting for and behave accordingly, for the result you get will be the one you earn through your actions.

In conclusion, no matter which side of the argument you come down on, the justifications of

“Following orders”

“They did it first”

“God told Moses to kill every man, woman and child in Canaan”

“It was war”

“I’m a soldier”

are never enough to defend the commission of immoral acts, especially against the innocents. A uniform is not a exemption for decency and being “right” is not a dispensation of accountability. It isn’t the uniform who makes the man, but the man who makes the uniform.

I am not a soldier, but I believe in defending what is right, good and innocent, regardless of politics, war, nationality and “sides”.  I believe in God, liberty, and honor and I refuse to be dissuaded from my intention to live by those standards.

I believe that the real enemy has no specific face – it is one that attacks from within us all.  The enemy that all of us must resist is the temptation to do evil during terrible times. We will create the law of the land. The surest way to end up with a Mad Max world is to become as vicious and ruthless as those against whom we would rebel.

 Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.

~ Friedrich Nietzsche

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  • agmand

    The Geneva convention applies to standing armies, waging war in a uniform, representing nation states.
    Those rules are not referring to either terrorists or revolutionaries …
    That is why the Geneva convention rules might apply in fighting the Army of Afghanistan, but NOT against the Taliban, or Al Quaida.

    • That is a good point Agmand. The government will say that the Geneva convention does not apply to revolutionaries, i.e. the Patriot / Liberty forces. Also no matter how honorably the Liberty forces act, the governmental media will portray them in the harshest light possible. I believe that Bellum iustum or Just war theory has all the answers the Patriot / Liberty movement needs. “Just War theories are attempts “to distinguish between justifiable and unjustifiable uses of organized armed forces”; they attempt “to conceive of how the use of arms might be restrained, made more humane, and ultimately directed towards the aim of establishing lasting peace and justice.”

    • cptden1

      One thing the american people should have learned in recent wars is that there is no more vicious enemy than one fighting on their own soil.

    • Mojo Nixon

      That’s why ‘they’ are now referred to as terrorist versus ‘resistance fighters’. The same label and rules will apply to all those who fight against those who rise up against the dictators the world-over.

      So, the lesson maybe that those who are quick to claim they are a victim, may in-turn become the thing they fear.

  • nobody;

    well from my lowly point the people in power have it all, money, BIG weapons, etc, all i have is a small rock to throw hell i dont even have a sling like david used

  • blackpowder

    the govt has already established the rules with buying hollow point bullets, do citizens have those ? yes they do,but nothing like the govt has, they intend on causing as much pain as possible. but as the old saying goes what goes around comes around

    • morris adams

      yeah speaking of morality!! isnt the hollow point ‘illegal’ per NATO?? yeah, fuk ‘them’! fight fire w fire, against ‘them’. let women and children cook for us so they can spread disinformation that we’re hungry and out of food! and at the same time, they (civilians) will know the reports of slaughter, they will surely hear, are unfounded, for we treated them well and perhaps compensate them for their ‘assistance’. we already know ‘they’ do/will lie but ‘they’ know not of our truths. ‘their’ arrogance will the second front ‘they’ fight on! we’re so ready! ‘they’re’ so not!
      c ya out there!

  • Justcause

    Where does the government store this ammo and weapons?

    • On active military bases. Arms are stored with National Guard units, and “armories” but their ammo is stored with the active duty military for “cost savings reasons.’

  • Freedom Fighter

    Hell yes you fight fire, with fire…or else get your ass handed to you…

  • Steve

    To take judicious use of General Pattons words, you make the other sob die for his cause. No amount of seeking the high ground will displace the fact that if you do not fight fire with fire, they will move you into their ovens for their nightly bakeathon. Clintoon and the bitch dyke reno murdered women and children and then had the press cover for them. If you don’t strike first, hard and brutally when the time comes, you will die and those that kill you will laugh for what do they have to fear.

    • morris adams

      i like u Steve! i just fear u wouldn’t take my orders very well!! (jk), u do however, owe bitch dykes an apology, that was offensive to them! keep the fire brother, its fitna get cold!!

  • fubared

    nobody- the tyrannical govt thugs can have all the BIG weapons they want. we have something better, we are fighting for what is right and good.good in the end ALWAYS triumphs over evil. recall the famous line from Braveheart- ‘they may take our lives, but they will never take our FREEDOM.’ molon labe, God bless us all.

    • Jean

      WRONG, as has been pointed out countless times before:
      Brave New world
      The Time Machine (HG Wells)

      Reality is, there is so much going on that MOST people – even those awake – don’t give a shit as long as their belly is full and their telly is on.

      But cutting down 100 or 200 soldiers by sniping them one at a time might work well… Take a few months, maybe a year – but whittling down the forces works nicely. Can be done with a .22 or .30, too, depending on accuracy and targeting ability of the shooter.

      While it is true that “Iron bars do not a prison make,” it is equally true that deciding whose jeans cover your ass today is not freedom.

      Having “FREEDOM” per se (braveheart) is WORTHLESS. You need the means to defend it, and that will mean casualties. Think Red Dawn (the original), and then adjust so that half or more of those kids die in the first month. Another half are crippled and left for interrogation, or killed by their own to prevent said interrogation. Hope that group keeps growing, and fast – “pacification” is by force after all, and it’s only about 3-5% of the US that would be bothered. The majority just want to live their lives worry-free (as much as possible – which is why I cannot stomach them, as they have mortgages, food bills, ehating bills, etc – all the costs – yet can’t see the REASON for those costs, and the opportunity costs as well, are FROM THE GOVERNMENT!)
      Also, as an example – there are those, like my boss (naturalized as a child) who BELIEVE in the lie of American Exceptionalism (which wasn’t ALWAYS a lie). These people will stand against us, I think – they WANT the lie, the illusion of safety and peace, rather than the tumult of liberty. We should help them to freely leave, pray the chains lie lightly on their necks, and let posterity forget they were ever our brothers…

      Perhaps we shuold have “demonstrations” at some National Guard or Army bases? Maybe Air force, too? No one gets hurt, but millions of dollars of equipment gets destroyed? Say, wrenches in jet engines, sand in gasoline, or Karo syrup… done while the protest is somewhere close enough to act as distraction.

      If we can’t BEAT them – we can exacerbate their spending to the point they break.

  • apache

    to hell with morality, we going to their asses like the jacker trackers did in the hunger games movie. no mercy

  • nomdeplume

    The aggressor sets the terms of engagement. We will not go as sheep to the slaughter.

  • Iixsive

    Blood thirsty comments

    Fine and honorable article Daisy

    I have little faith in honor being represented properly by those that have commented here today, I fear that their anger has turned to blood lust in the wake of the governments actions recently

    In defending our own, we must be true to our honor and our oath
    Lest we become our own enemy

    the Watcher

    • Jean

      And know this: If you stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares also into you. (Freud, IIRC.)

      You’re correct – but as noted elsewhere (), there is a need to keep the firebrands going. For F’s sake, SOMEONE needs to do SOMETHING, as most keyboard jockeys (myself included) are either unable or unwilling to do dick. (Mostly unable here, lots of knowledge – no materials, transit, alibis. NONE of which would matter if TSHTF. We’re ALL targets then – we’re ALL guilty of something – They JUST NEED TO CATCH US, and they’ll make us confess to ANYTHING. “You want to see your wife or daughter raped to death? No? Confess to treason then, that’s a good prole… We’ll execute you on the 6 o’clock news.”)

      The bloodlust is a response of anger, usually righteous anger, which has been subverted and denied. That anger goes SOMEWHERE. But if the enemy won’t respect Marquis de Queensbury rules – WE CAN’T AFFORD TO. If destroying their toys is not good enough, we will HAVE TO kill their people. It’s how you win a war – you make then unwilling to fight.
      It’s not done through honorable means – hell, the Europeans used “honorable means” in WW1 – look at the results! Gassing each other, war went on for several years before the US got involved, and after we did – it went badly for the Germans… We were there to WIN, and GO HOME.
      Now we (U.S.) come as conquerors – and “they” don’t care WHO “they” conquer, so we CANNOT AFFORD “honor”. Think Ninja vs. Samurai. think Special Forces. Do they go in at an announced time, weapons on display, standards in the air, marching down the main road? NO!!!
      Sneak in, kill, disable, destroy, secure objective, leave, hopefully with NO ONE aware it’s even happened.

      We should follow their lead.

  • CrackerJihad

    The article was excellent. Some of the responses here? Not so much. As someone currently in training for a leadership role in a state patriot force…message received. Many apparently think this Obama situation is some kind of joke. It isn’t. In 1860, most Americans had no idea that an extremely brutal Civil War was to begin the very next year. The problem is normalcy bias…it’s hard to imagine that things change.

  • stock

    Bullshit, when you are in the right, no rules, no mercy.

    • Jean

      Actually, i’m probably one of the most bloodthristy here, but… I have to disagree: Being in the right is what ALLOWS for mercy.

      OTOH, adopting “honorable rules” only cuts down your effectiveness. No quarter, no mercy, nothing but destruction until the objective is achieved. Mercy following honorable surrender. Such mercy might mean, kill the Commissioned officers and let the rest go, disarmed. PFCs don’t make policy. Colonels, OTOH, can choose to not enforce the immoral orders we are discussing here – and thus are guilty, or politicos – and enemies en toto, regardless. They would only do the same, and more, given a second chance. So any officer following visibly immoral and unjust orders, does NOT get any mercy, no – they’ve removed themselves from such niceties by their actions.

      Make sense?

  • apache

    when your,family are be loaded on a fema train, heading for the ole gas chamber. Then to their brand new fema coffin. Lets just see how moral you remain… besides patriot leaders should be tough and willing to do what it takes to win. Not a big moral pussy… dont forget the HOLLOW POINT ammo they just stocked up on.. It will put a hole through a head as big as a golf ball, and banned by the geneva convention.

  • Rick34

    The writer is talking out of it ASS..The constitution and the Declaration of Independence gives us the power to go offensive and shoot these politicians since they don’t want to resign. And if we don’t act accord soon to put fear into them they will continue to take away our rights. My advise pay close attention to news articles and their website you will know where they pop up next when you want to take out your governor or senate who are against our gun rights and constitution.

    • Jean

      I think the writer’s concern is that there are limited sources of news, and ALL are in the pocket of TPTB.
      Therefore, anything “we” do, even fully justifiable actions as you outline, will be seen as insurrection and treason, and publicized by TPTB’s media as such – which then “justifies” ANY and ALL actions they would take to “pacify” the “rebels” and “make the world Safe for Democracy.”

      You can’t make this shit up… But that’s how the average Boobus Americanus “thinks.” “They said it on CNN, it MUST be TRUE!”
      And if CNN reported that the Enemy was Sudan instead of Russia (Using Cold War concept), the masses would be dismayed they had brought the wrong signs to the Party Rally.
      (1984, IIRC, and one of the Party Speeches.)

  • ManCavePatriot

    Ephesians 6:12

  • Cymro

    Deutronomy 7

  • David

    Rodger that ManCavePatriot!! I wish more of us REALLY understood what is going on!!! Anyone who has a relationship with JESUS can see all of this coming on as plain as day!!

  • Jean

    I think there are certain “rules of engagement” we’d have to accept.
    Unfortunately, I think Rule #1 is, DON’T BE HONORABLE. It’ll be used against you.

    There is no honor in defeat or losing due to being a “better person.” There is ONLY victory, or death.

    There are TWO objectives in this situation: (1) Restore Constitutional Law, and (2) Remove as much as possible any lineage who would seek to usurp the Constitution in future.

    To that end:
    – ALL TARGETS are valid: Man, woman, child, animal.
    – Expect that these tactics will be used against you; you are either “in the wind”, or you are “leverage.”
    – Make the Statists die for their state; LIVE for freedom.
    – Supplies make good targets – they don’t shoot back, can be stolen, are usually lightly guarded by disiniterested personnel. Steal and/or destroy. Killing the guards is a plus, but not essential – eventually, the enemy will kill his “incompetent” guards as a “lesson.” Proves what he is.
    – Vehicles work “better” when disabled. For an insurgency, anyway. Disabled vehicles can be avoided, and much like wounded soldiers, require care and assistance. May also be abandoned by distraught or cowardly enemies.
    – Communications is a key element: Hamstring enemy comm whenever you can, via EMPs, sniping radios, antennas, demolitions, whatever. Especially now with drones ready to attack on US soil…
    – Sniping a soldier or two, then disappearing, is an excellent way to live to fight another day. Sticking around is suicide. Bullets are cheap, skilled shooters are hard to come by, and even moderately skilled shooters are rare.
    – TALKING is a BAD IDEA. If you killed 6 enemies last week, REGARDLESS of how, STFU!!! your mother / father / sister / brother / lover may be a collaborator! So SAY NOTHING. And remember at the same time, you’re shooting Americans. Not their fault they’re stupid and irredeemable, but DO NOT take pride in your kills. Remain humble and secretive.

    Modified total war. Burn them out, steal their supplies, discourage them from fighting, and kill the easy targets, then disappear. You might pay for it, others might pay for it, it doesn’t matter – the cost was pre-ordained, and so is your time. Make what time you have count. Resist the ending of that time, as long as you are not a drag on the “pack”: if you could get them all killed, disappear, or end it. The costs are going to be steep, but if it’s worth it – it’s WORTH IT.

    That value exists outside of us, that import is separate from who we are: it transcends us.

    Last thing is, we’re making a fucking omelette: don’t feel bad about breaking the eggs, it’s part of the process.

    • Jean

      Actually, one OTHER thing: The targets are NOT just military.
      Ford sold to the Nazis, for example; Rockefeller, too, IIRC.
      Smith-Barney? Standard and Poors? Ben Bernanke? Diane Feinstein is obvious; how about George Soros?

      those who are puppet-masters MUST be targets. Their value cannot be overstated. Eliminate with extreme (nuclear) prejudice. Head of the serpent and all…

  • Freedoms glory

    This writer doesn’t really seem to understand what she’s talking abou, war, death and killing is a dirty business and saying there are rules in war makes about as much sense as saying there are limitation to what you can use against a bugler. I served 6 years in the USMC and I seen all maners of destruction and death, but the thing they don’t tell you is that if you play the force on force game with a world power you WILL lose. Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq are all examples of how war is fought with one side being a overwhelming power and the other side only having small-arms and IED’s and still winning agents the military might of a world power. Hearts and minds is bullshit it will never work people are ether with you or agents you, andlines are drawn in every war and people die, its the nature of the beast. If your enemy has a Apache helicopter and all you have is an AK-47 I think you would not Want to take them head-on, you probably side with the decision to blow them up without ever having to look at them in the face. The lines between moral ethics and having to do what you need to do stars to get gray. Until you been in war you are just another person afrad to get you hands dirty.