Millennials Are Being Brainwashed To Oppose Capitalism and Support Communism, Their Favorite Leaders Are Kim Jong-Un and Stalin

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Despite the fact that capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever created by man, millennials apparently want socialism or communism instead.

According to a recent study conducted by Victims of Communism Memorial Fund-YouGov, 44 percent of millennials say that they would rather live in a socialist country than a country that embraces free market capitalism, and an additional seven percent say they prefer to live under communism.

This means that more than half of today’s youth would rather live under socialism or communism instead of capitalism, a clear sign that the upcoming generation is becoming increasingly detached from America’s roots.

As if this wasn’t bad enough, 23 percent of Americans between the ages of 21 and 29 consider Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to be a “hero,” 26 percent believe Vladimir Lenin was a hero, and 23 percent feel that Kim Jong Un of North Korea is a hero. Additionally, “Millennials also named Karl Marx (18 percent), Che Guevara (26 percent), Vladimir Lenin (17 percent), Mao Zedong (16 percent), and Nicolas Maduro (12 percent) as a personal hero, hero for their country, or hero to the world.”

In a press release, Victims of Communism executive director Marion Smith explained what the results of the survey mean for American society.

“Millennials are increasingly turning away from capitalism and toward socialism and even communism as a viable alternative,” Smith said. “This troubling turn highlights widespread historical illiteracy in American society regarding socialism and the systemic failure of our education system to teach students about the genocide, destruction, and misery caused by communism since the Bolshevik Revolution one hundred years ago.” (Related: The mainstream media won’t cover the failing socialist nightmare in Venezuela because it exposes the faults of socialism.)

Interestingly enough, however, the majority of young people who participated in this survey were unable to define socialism and communism, and roughly 80 percent didn’t know how many lives were lost under communist regimes. (Related: This video shows millennials supporting socialism even if it causes starvation.)

On the surface, it may seem silly that millennials would support something that they don’t even understand, but when you consider how much indoctrination and political brainwashing goes on inside of the classroom, everything suddenly starts to make sense.

Last month, a professor at California State University-Long Beach declared at a school event that America “was founded on white supremacy and racism” and “built on a racist capitalist system meant to weaken the minority.”

The historical illiterate in question, sociology professor Steven Osuna, asked students at the event whether or not they were able to save money, to which many of them shouted back “no!” Osuna then told the students that their inability to save money was due to the “racist, capitalist system” that our country was supposedly founded upon, “and as a result,” he said to the crowd, “you have all these people making a ton of money off y’all’s backs.”

In addition to this anti-capitalism message that more and more schools across the country are beginning to promote, students are simultaneously being taught to fight for equality and “fairness for all,” which they automatically associate with socialism, communism and the redistribution of wealth. America’s education system really has become the perfect breeding ground for young socialists and communists.

What’s so ironic about all of this is the fact that young people are some of the biggest beneficiaries of capitalism in the entire country. They wake up each morning and turn off the alarm that they set on their Apple iPhone, grab lunch at the nearest fast food restaurant, study for school using their Microsoft laptop, and then maybe even go to the mall with a group of friends. They benefit from capitalism each and every day, and yet sadly, they want to do away with it.

Sources include:

Townhall.com

CampusReform.org

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  • Spatial Memory

    Brainwashed = state capitalism = state socialism ?

    • elbustaroyjetspeekerson

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    • Steve Rusk

      You got that right, most of the people in this country don’t have a clue. America is the most thought controlled country in history.

  • Laurence Almand

    Modern young people have been brainwashed by the DemoSocialist educational establishment. Read the good book BRAINWASHED to find out how they are being programmed to the Socialist agenda.
    Modern intellectuals don’t know what it is like to actually live in a Communist or Socialist state, so they stupidly think they would enjoy.
    Every young person should spend a year in a country like China, Zimbabwe or Venezuela to see what Communism is actually like – they would love to return to Capitalist America, where toilet paper and soap are not rationed, and the plumbing actually works.

    • SP_88

      I doubt any of them would make it a year in a place like that.

    • Cynical Old Bastard

      Hmmm… I think you’ve found a new oxymoron there, Laurence. Modern intellectuals.

      • An oxymoron is “a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction.” You are picking on conjunctions again. In what way is modern intellectual a contradiction in terms unless you are willing to give up your claim to intellect?

        • Cynical Old Bastard

          Say what?

    • Spatial Memory

      Does any modern day intellectual thinks anyone alive today has ever experienced one single millisecond of free market capitalism?
      Modern day intellectuals can only imagine demand economy dynamics and related ideologies from their command economy realities.

      • It all depends on how they define capitalism.

      • Steve Rusk

        Well, they certainly know about financial concentration, with the help of our two political parties they managed to steal all the money in this economy.

    • Is there a bad book BRAINWASHED?

    • Steve Rusk

      America, where they send your jobs out of the country to be done by commie slaves so you can be poor and unemployed while your leaders grow rich and corrupt and the cops can shoot you dead on the spot for no reason and just walk away free.

      “and the plumbing actually works”? You have to be kidding on that one, the pipes are rusty and deliver poisonous water. We might be better off with the toilet paper shortages.

  • gabe

    Make something idiot proof and the public schools will just turn out better idiots.

  • elbustaroyjetspeekerson

    Oh, if only this was ALL the stuff the illenials have had noggin douched out of ’em…..

  • SP_88

    So basically our schools and universities are turning out stupid people. And this was the inevitable consequence of what we’ve been complaining about for years. And when they came up with common core, it got even worse. In some states they kept common core against the wishes of many people, and simply renamed it to something else.
    We shouldn’t be surprised that this is the result of what’s been done to our education system. It’s a lack of education, due in many ways to omission of historical facts as well as using propaganda and indoctrination to change their beliefs.

    • Cynical Old Bastard

      Basically, yes. Heh-heh. There’s no real nice way of phrasing that, is there? Our schools are, by intent, turning out stupid people… and have been for many years.

      Common core was easy to see through. Hell, the very word “common” should clue a thinking person in. It is nothing more than a new indoctrination tool for use on the common people.

    • Universities only extend the false premises and indoctrination that the students arrived with.

      • Steve Rusk

        Actually they imprint another layer of programing that dovetails with the previous lies.

        • Which causes them to shrink rather than extend?

          • Steve Rusk

            It extends their control over the individuals, reinforces the illusion.

          • Anyone who is suckered into higher “education” and debt is already under sufficient control.

          • Steve Rusk

            Slavery, I know someone who just recently figured out that he would never be able to repay his college loan and still be able to have a life. His job went overseas, he had to take a lower paying job and sold his house to make the move. Now he can’t afford to buy another or for that matter even pay the rents in that area ($1400 a month to live in a trailer court, plus utilities) unless he quits making his tuition payments. Another worked 4 years in California in computer design, couldn’t afford to live there after the house he jointly rented was sold. He came back to Ohio to flip burgers at McDonalds for 10 years, not sure what he’s doing now, but last I heard they were suing his father over his college debts. So much for having it made once you get that college degree. All that education and neither one of these guys can figure out how badly they were betrayed by their government and ruling elites.

          • Not to mention their largely inherited ignorance and gullibility.

    • Steve Rusk

      Of course they are going to destroy our school system, can’t have the citizens of this country smart enough to understand how badly they have been ripped off by their leaders. You want them to be confused as possible about what is actually going on.

  • Cynical Old Bastard

    This is for all you folks who have argued with me about definitions being unimportant.

    “Interestingly enough, however, the majority of young people who
    participated in this survey were unable to define socialism and
    communism…”

    Still think that way, Skippy (and Skippettes)? Rhetorical question. Of course you do.

    • Just because definitions are important doesn’t give you the right to your own set of them, regardless of what the rest of us think.

      • Cynical Old Bastard

        Ummm… are you developmentally impaired?

        • Are you professional qualified to diagnose same?

          • Cynical Old Bastard

            Yep.

          • I’m not, as is evident in the fact that I have never been referred to anyone who practices advanced pharmaceutical castration as your type do. I don’t consider entering elementary school with a 3rd grade reading level and a junior high vocabulary as an indication of developmental impairment. But you probably consider the DSM-5 to be a scientifically legitimate document since anyone can be found to be suffering from something in it.

          • Cynical Old Bastard

            Say what?

  • “They wake up each morning and turn off the alarm that they set on their
    Apple iPhone, grab lunch at the nearest fast food restaurant, study for
    school using their Microsoft laptop, and then maybe even go to the mall
    with a group of friends. They benefit from capitalism each and every
    day, and yet sadly, they want to do away with it.”

    As if that is only possible in a capitalist society. What BS is that.

    “Despite the fact that capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever created by man”

    Really? I’ve seen an ever increasing number of homeless people in Europe and the US since… always!

    It matters not what name tag you put on it, all of these social experiments are failures, including capitalism. Also capitalist governments kill their citizens.

    Or do your vaccine, aspartame, fluoride and new world order conspiracies suddenly don’t count anymore? Remember that the alleged most capitalistic nation in the world is also the most corrupt and war-addicted. Yes, the USA, yes.

    The “great America”, built through slave labor and slave trade. Founded by freemason “founding fathers” who’d hand over the nation on a silver platter to the zionist banker machinations.

    • Ann

      so, name a system that’s better…

      • Let’s start with a definition so it will be clear what s/he is talking about.

    • Capitalism ended in the early 19th century.

      • Steve Rusk

        “Capitalism ended in the early 19th century.”? They called it capitalism when I went to school, so is it just plain oligarchy now?

        • Capitalism has never lead to oligarchy because a capitalist will stay too busy practicing it to engage in oligarchy or crony capitalism. They have always called things in school that are based on what they want you to believe rather than to understand.

          • Steve Rusk

            Capitalism is just another name for oligarchy, as is the free enterprise system and free markets. They all achieve the same result. Capitalism is about acquisition of capital, that process never ends as long as the capitalist lives.

            In any case what we have is “State Sponsored Capitalism”, our two party system does most of the stealing for them and protects them from the rest of us when their crimes are exposed.

          • You apparently are not well-read in the men who defined capitalism for the writers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. They would find the current definition as inaccurate and deceptive as I do.

          • Steve Rusk

            You have to be kidding, the Founding Fathers were some of the greatest con men in history. they built this country as an engine of empire, a totalitarian democracy. They weren’t doing us an favors.

          • Have you bothered to document the misquotation of all of them, they all being outspoken as being opposed to democracy? Aside from Hamilton, empire building isn’t evident in their writing.

          • Steve Rusk

            I’ve read their writings, they gave all kinds of warnings about the dangers of the “Democracy” which they were “giving” us. It was an excellent exercise in misdirection, these guys were true con men. Let me give you a piece of dogma that was already ancient when the Roman Empire employed it. Do you really think the Founding Fathers were unaware of it?

            “Divide and rule- A unified society with common values is near impossible to manipulate, create a schism, then one side may be used to move the other.”

            There you have it, the heart of American Democracy, a two party system designed to create and maintain this schism, the engines which divide us. While the Romans used this method to manipulate individual policies, America is the first nation to be designed and constructed around it as a central control element. Had the Founders intended us to have anything approaching actual Democracy, all they needed to do was install a third party. It would have acted as a loose cannon to nullify the divisive effects of the two party system, but then you don’t have absolute control over the society.

            “empire building isn’t evident in their writing.”
            When this country was founded, the rebellion was about breaking loose from the “British Empire”. Initially the Founders talked about starting another monarchy and that went over with the public like a lead balloon. Do you really think the public here would have been receptive to idea of being in another “empire” after all the remarks that were printed here in the newspapers condemning the British Empire? The Founders needed a new con and they knew just what to use. Indeed they were slick bastards, you need to ignore their words, yet closely follow their deeds, it’s no different to this day.

          • “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

          • Thomas Jefferson comments on fake news

            by Jon Rappoport

            November 7, 2017

            The current campaign, waged by politicians, media leaders, and their social media partners, against independent media, is an act of sheer desperation.

            The tonnage of fake news, spewed from the most prestigious media outlets, has cracked its own foundations.

            The public is waking up.

            So did Thomas Jefferson, more than 200 years ago.

            Here is a progression of Jefferson’s thoughts, over a 20-year period:

            “Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.” (28 January 1786)

            “The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them.” (January 16, 1787)

            “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. . . . I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors.” (June 11, 1807)

            There is a grand tradition of fake news, and it has always sprung from the major and official sources.

            Today’s mainstream reporters, of course, don’t want to think about that. They don’t want reflect on the long stench-ridden history of their own profession.

            They would rather pretend their brethren have always served with honor.

            This hoax is understandable. Who would want to enlist in a field where truth is of the utmost importance—and yet has been trampled on without let-up throughout its history?

            Every journalism school should post a sign on its front door: WE HAVE ALWAYS LIED.

            The pompous, bloated, sold-out politicians and media executives, who are currently sitting in committee hearings bemoaning the incursions of independent news sites, should pause for a moment and realize that the public they are supposedly serving are catching a strong whiff of their deliberations—

            And they should understand that a natural and growing boycott of mainstream news is well underway.

            With your help, the fakers will continue losing.

            It’s called justice.

            Meanwhile, is there one journalism professor anywhere who will tell his class, “I want to read you three quotes about the news by Thomas Jefferson. We’re going to spend the semester trying to understand what led Jefferson down this path. It’s an important inquiry, unless your idea of a career is whiter teeth and good hair and toeing the line your editors set, minus your own conscience…”

            In America, I don’t think one professor could get away with that.

    • Steve Rusk

      You forgot the genocide, Washington starting taking Indian lands as soon as this country was established. The slaughter continued for as long as they had land to steal.

      • Europeans started taking Indian lands long before any of the founders of this republic were born. The BLM started out with the Louisiana Purchase lands that were never distributed as Jefferson had intended and added them to the later spoils to be managed by the Department of the Interior.

        • Steve Rusk

          The Europeans only colonized, which was bad enough for it started the process. However, it wasn’t until after the United states was founded that the actual genocide began and Washington couldn’t wait to get it started, that’s what this country was created for, the formation of “Empire”. Within a century most of the land had been stolen and the majority of the Indians had been wiped out.

          • This country was created to get the founders out from under the thumb of the monarchy. Empire didn’t get a good start until Lincoln committed his treason.

          • Steve Rusk

            The founders wanted true power, they weren’t the least bit interested in playing second fiddle to a distant king. Apparently stealing Indian lands and starting a genocide isn’t despicable enough for you to consider the founders as despots. So what was Lincoln’s treason?

          • He declared war independent of the constitutional requirement that Congress do so.

          • Steve Rusk

            Haven’t you noticed? That’s a tradition in this country, it started before Lincoln, most of the wars that we engage in are undeclared, none of the Indian Wars were declared. The constitution was designed to be malleable, especially the “Bill of Rights”.

          • If malleability was planned, why did they bother to spend several months arguing all of the fine points during a summer in Philadelphia?

          • Steve Rusk

            “arguing all of the fine points”, That’s what you do when maintaining a pretense, that’s been the claim behind about every betrayal in history, it wasn’t what they intended.

          • Can you document that you were an eye witness?

          • Steve Rusk

            We have history, the majority of us have seen nothing but betrayal from the documents they created.

          • How do you separate planned betrayal based on the documents from unplanned betrayal of the document?

          • Steve Rusk

            I said they were intended to be “malleable”, you do understand what that means, don’t you?

          • It means that they would disregard any limitations the founding document contained as long as they could avoid being strung up by the peasants.

          • Steve Rusk

            You got that right. It helps when the “peasants” are poorly informed and have little idea of what their rights actually are

          • They get away with it in America because even our most poverty-stricken people are middle-class by comparison with the poor of the world. When Jefferson wrote “that mankind are more deposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed,” he had little idea about the depravity that a modern technological society is capable of.

          • Steve Rusk

            Correction: He had little idea of what the “leadership” of a modern technological society is capable of.

          • He was spot on about what the followers would do:
            “The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may become persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right, on a legal basis, is while our rulers are honest, ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will be heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.”
            Thomas Jefferson

          • Steve Rusk

            These hypocrites have said a lot of things and when you put their comments side by side they don’t add up. For example: As a Founder Jefferson tirelessly championed “Freedom of the Press”. Decades later as he surveyed the results of his efforts, he noted that those who didn’t read the newspapers knew more about what was going on in the country. So much for Freedom of the Press, it simply means that the press can say whatever it wants, lies included.

            Let’s jump forward a century, this is an excerpt for the 1915 Industrial Commission Report:

            In addition, the commission found, the Morgans, Rockefellers, and their allies were controlling the thoughts of Americans as well as their lives. Through monopoly ownership of influence, the press expressed
            monopoly’s policies. Moreover, Wall Street was increasingly controlling public education, as well as colleges, universities, professors and preachers through gifts, endowments and foundations.

            The report continued: “The domination by the men in whose hands the final control of a large part of American industry rests is not limited to their employees, but is being rapidly extended to control the education and ‘social service’ of the Nation. This control is being rapidly extended largely through the creation of enormous privately managed funds for indefinite purposes, hereinafter designated as “foundations” by the endowment of colleges and universities, by contributions to private charities as well as through controlling and influencing the public press…

            Then to the present where we now have the ultimate deceptions in effect, where only “Fake News”, Liberal or Neoliberal and Conservative brands which our media dishes out to the public daily. Centuries of lies. So we have a culture whose foundations are composed of genocide, slavery and exploitation, the rest of the structure held together with a mortar composed of blood and lies. Nothing has changed with the exception that now there are more victims. With the exception of our ruling elites the citizens of this country have never had any rights. The Founders did the planning and it’s been religiously followed ever since.

          • I wish you had been around in my wild younger life when I was trying to induce hallucinations like you have mastered.

          • Steve Rusk

            Obviously you don’t know your history or your politics, at the time this political system was designed it was the most heinous device for political control in the history of our species, it’s first act was to set a course for over a century of genocide complete with such lies as necessary to compel the participation of most of the citizens, even the most religiously devout, our supposed moral authorities. This was the largest such act in history and no tactics were to despicable for us to employ, not even the Roman Empire can match that and it was only our first baby step.

            Hallucinations? And you say that as you watch through your rose colored glasses. The emperor has no clothes and you haven’t a clue

          • No, I “don’t know your history or your politics.” You failed to provide a single complete quotation from any of the rogues you claim they were, as proof.

          • Steve Rusk

            I believe I mentioned earlier in this thread that you need to judge these hypocrites by their actions, not their words. You appear to have read at least some of their writings, yet don’t see the contradictions between their words and deeds. So what is it that you dispute? The slavery? The genocide? The exploitations of millions for the purpose of enriching the few at the expense of the many? Or is it the lies that it took to achieve those ends?

          • Any contradictions of the modern state dwarf those of the late 18th century into meaningness for any practical purpose.

          • Steve Rusk

            I hardly consider genocide and slavery meaningless. Yes, I agree that this has resulted in a “snowball” effect. The system has only grown more heinous as time has progressed.

          • Genocide and slavery have been around as long as there have been humans to murder en mass or by and sell. Neither was pioneered worldwide by anyone on this continent.

          • Steve Rusk

            Are you trying to imply that the Founders should be excused because slavery and genocide were preexisting conditions? Sorry, America gets the trophy for the largest genocide, not to be confused with the lesser events before or after. We also did it to steal a continent, never before or since has any group slaughtered so many to steal so much. As for slavery, yes it was already entrenched here, however while the founders were spouting all of their high minded propaganda about “Democracy” and equality, they did nothing to address it. It doesn’t help that so many of them were slave holders.The result was that we had an internal war over it which resolved little. Today the race issue remains a cultivated and festering abscess on this society because of it. While Americans can no longer hold title to another human being, slavery is more entrenched here than ever. While many can still be considered outright slaves, even more are compelled to work for less than a living wage. All for the benefit of our ruling oligarchy.

            I don’t understand how you can defend a system designed to extend virtually unlimited favoritism to a few, while compelling the majority to placate their desires through the use of institutionalized deception. What we have is weaponized democracy, it must always have it’s victims.

          • I’m implying that no one should be charged with actions for which the only proof exists in your twisted interpretation of things that you can’t even provide a quote to document.

          • Steve Rusk

            So, you are saying that the history I related never occurred? That there are no discrepancies between the words and deeds of our Founders and the leaders who followed them? Please feel free to jump in there and take it all apart, prove to me that it’s wrong. Any fool or idiot can deny it, show me what you’ve got.

          • You haven’t disproved any of the copious historical reviews that say it didn’t happen the way you imagine. You haven’t provided a single complete quotation to prove your fantasy interpretation of anything.

          • Steve Rusk

            I quoted the history as it is recorded, you say it’s wrong and want documentation, give me the specific details which you dispute. You’re just doing the subtle and devious thing, a general denial and evasion. Get specific or give me an alternative view that I can pick apart for you. Put up or shut up.

          • Your quotation lacked any mention of the specific individuals you have accused of being con men, leading me to believe you are more interested in following their supposed examples than refuting all prior accounts in my experience. I can’t speak to a history that lacks any mention of those involved, since that would be as senseless as the original premise.

          • Steve Rusk

            You can’t even speak for your own version of events? You can only deny and ask for “proof” in a vague and general fashion. You haven’t posted anything of significance other than a few generalized quotes with the “opinions” of hypocrites, your part here is to tell me why it’s wrong, point out just what is wrong with it and provide links or other information to support you stance. You don’t appear to have the knowledge base or education to be able to do that. Prove to me otherwise, put up or shut up! So far you’ve done nothing a fool, idiot or troll couldn’t do, you act like a kid who has had his sand castle wrecked.

            You are getting predictable, predictable is boring, can’t you do any better?

          • No, because your standards are as corrupt as your political theories.

          • Steve Rusk

            So says you, post a demonstration.

          • Steve Rusk

            Not “theories” history, the part of we don’t talk about in this country.

          • Steve Rusk

            Do you employers give you a bonus for all the deletes you do?

          • Steve Rusk

            It seems my posts are disappearing, so I will try this again.

            As I understand it you are asking me to produce an outright admission of guilt from these hypocrites? That the historical record of their actions alone is not sufficient to condemn their duplicity and betrayal? Nor should a record act of slavery and genocide besmirch their reputations in your opinion? I think you need to explain yourself here, something you haven’t done at any point in this thread.

            You can imply, deny and demand, yet you appear unable to specify what is wrong or provide any countering evidence. you can only insist that in some fashion apparent only to you it doesn’t support your opinions and for that reason it must be wrong. Are you going to explain your position at any time? Provide information to support your views? Contradicting evidence? Or are you capable of doing that?

          • Steve Rusk

            My, my, what a winning strategy, when you can’t win the debate just delete your adversary’s comments until you leave yourself with the final say. I’ll bet you do this all the time. So you’re a troll with connections it seems, how much does it pay? More than the Russian trolls? Or are you a Russian troll?

          • Steve Rusk

            I don’t need to mention them “individually” they were all con men, birds of a feather flock together. It was all a continuous chain of deception, betrayal and villainy from the inception of this nation, to the present and there is every indication it will continue it’s decent into into the foreseeable future, So tell me at what part of our history was there no killing? When were we at peace? When was there no killing and taking? At what points in there were the citizens of this country treated decently and not exploited by their ruling elites?

          • Steve Rusk

            Leaders lead by example or they lead by lying, if their words don’t match with their deeds just what is going on? So far you have demonstrated that you can’t speak for schitt, are you ever going to start?

          • Steve Rusk

            So, you are saying that the history I related never occurred? That there are no discrepancies between the words and deeds of our Founders or the leaders who followed them? Please feel free to jump in there and take it all apart, prove to me that it’s wrong. Any fool or idiot can deny it, show me what you’ve got.

          • Steve Rusk

            Documentation: Excerpts: Industrial Commission Report to Congress 1915

            The commission’s findings on anti-union activities:

            “Almost without exception the employees of large corporations are unorganized, as a result of the active and aggressive “non-union’ policy of the corporation managements”, the commission continued:. Our Rockefellers, Morgans, Fricks, Vanderbilts and Astors can do no wrong because all effective action and direct responsibility is shifted from them to executive officials…”

            On influence of the media:

            In addition, the commission found, the Morgans, Rockefellers, and their allies were controlling the thoughts of Americans as well as their lives. Through monopoly ownership of influence, the press expressed monopoly’s policies. Moreover, Wall Street was increasingly controlling public education, as well as colleges, universities, professors and preachers through gifts, endowments and foundations.

            The report continued: “The domination by the men in whose hands the final control of a large part of American industry rests is not limited to their employees, but is being rapidly extended to control the education and ‘social service’ of the Nation. This control is being rapidly extended largely through the creation of enormous privately managed funds for indefinite purposes, hereinafter designated as “foundations” by the endowment of colleges and universities, by contributions to private charities as well as through controlling and influencing the public press…

            Financial concentration:

            “Incapable of being spent in any legitimate manner, these fortunes are burdens, which can only be squandered, hoarded, put into so-called ‘benefactions’ which for the most part constitute a menace to the State, or put back into the industrial machine to pile up ever-increasing mountains of gold. We have, according to income tax returns, forty-four families with an income of $1,000,000 annually or more, whose members perform little or no useful service, but whose aggregate incomes, totaling at the very least fifty millions a year, are the equivalent to the earnings of 100,000 wage earners at the average rate of $500.”

            The Industrial Commission was a committee appointed by Congress, these quotes are from a report submitted to Congress in 1915. The excerpts are from Labor’s Untold Story by Boyer and Morais. This book is recommended reading and currently back in print. Link to complete 1915 Report below:

            https://archive.org/details/finalreportofcom00unitiala

          • No one who was alive in 1789 is mentioned.

          • Steve Rusk

            So what? That’s just a cop out. It shows a continuation and escalation of the founder’s policies. Do you read history books? Try “Labor’s Untold Story” to start with. Most of the government material from the earlier era is not digitized yet, the 1915 Industrial Commission Final report was done only recently, about 4 years ago, there is also a companion report covering the conditions in Colorado mining currently available by internet access.

            In any case they don’t like to make this information easily available. After their review of it Congress ordered the research materials of the 1915 Industrial Commission destroyed, what remains is largely by chance. By some accounts the remaining copies of the 1915 reports that were still in inventory were also ordered destroyed. Access to these documents was impossible to obtain, reprints were not available until it was digitized. I can name other books and reports, but access to them is also in question, I know of them only from quotes in other history books. Last I checked the digitalization process of some government records has only reached back to the beginning of the 20th Century. Access to the earlier documents is available only by obtaining a permit, which usually requires some professional or academic credentials and actually traveling to the Congressional Library.

            Are you unable to refute the history I related? Other than outright denials? Come on, take it all apart, show me that it didn’t happen that way. Is there a larger genocide of which I am unaware of? Or is there justification for our annihilation of the Indian Nations and the taking of their lands? Slavery? etc.? Show me the framework of your reality, contrast it to that which I related. You don’t even know how this republic or any other republic functions, how or where it operates. America and The People’s Republic of China are both “republics”, what are the structural and political differences between them? Liberals or Neoliberals only do subtle and devious, they are only good at evasion or denial, they can never answer the hard questions.

          • Accusing someone else of a copout without providing evidence of not committing one oneself is the biggest copout there is.

          • Steve Rusk

            A cop out is a cop out, live with it, all you give is denial and evasion, get specific, what details is it that you have a dispute with? Tell me what is wrong if you want documentation, just how did it actually happen in your opinion? So far you’re all mouth and no brains, show me you’ve got something up there.

          • I’ll just stick with the totality of the historical reportage in my experience before you attempted to con me into believing an account that you can’t support. My opinion is of no relevance with respect to what you claim to have happened, but can’t provide anything bearing the names of those you accuse of being con men. I’d like to find out where you got what you have been smoking, in case I decide to get as psychotic as you are.

          • Steve Rusk

            How do you convince the brainwashed that they have been brainwashed? Your “opinion” is what this is about, put it out here and support it! Don’t just whine about my statements and say I must be wrong. Put up or shut up! Or can you do that? Are you just trolling here?

          • Steve Rusk

            It seems my posts are disappearing, so I will try this again.

            As I understand it you are asking me to produce an outright admission of guilt from these hypocrites? That the historical record of their actions alone is not sufficient to condemn their duplicity and betrayal? Nor should a record act of genocide besmirch their reputation in your opinion? I think you need to explain yourself here, something you haven’t done at any point in this thread.

            You can imply, deny and demand, yet you are unable to specify what is wrong with any of the evidence, only that in some vague manner it doesn’t support your opinions and for that reason it must be wrong. Are you going to explain your position at any time? Provide any countering information? Or are you capable of doing that?

          • Steve Rusk

            Good morning troll.

          • Steve Rusk

            I provide the evidence, you just keep deleting it. How’s the trolling going today?

          • Steve Rusk

            I post yet it disappears, is this what you’re getting paid for?

          • Steve Rusk

            Why Mr. Copout take a look at my posts in this thread, I’m quite committed. You’re just committed to deleting it.

          • Steve Rusk

            It seems my posts are disappearing, so I will try this again.

            As I understand it you are asking me to produce an outright admission of guilt from these hypocrites? That the historical record of their actions alone is not sufficient to condemn their duplicity and betrayal? Nor should a record act of genocide besmirch their reputation in your opinion? I think you need to explain yourself here, something you haven’t done at any point in this thread. You can imply, deny and demand, yet you are unable to specify what is wrong with any of the evidence, only that in some vague way it doesn’t support your opinions and for that reason it must be wrong. Are you going to explain your position at any time? Provide any countering information? Or are you capable of doing that?

          • Steve Rusk

            Quite an accomplishment isn’t it, being able to just delete your opponent’s comments? Do you brag about it often?

          • Steve Rusk

            You can imply, but you can’ t dispute it, can’t even tell me what part of it you want the “proof” for nor provide an alternative view or opinion. You can only “imply, deny and delete”, that’s trolling not a discussion. So what do you see you mission here as? To confuse all of these poor people who are looking for answers? And delete the comments of those who can provide them?

          • Your hallucinations are completely out of control if you think I can delete anything here.
            If you really wanted to help “all of these poor people who are looking for answers,” you’d just present what you can prove about those who were alive in 1789 and stop committing ad hominem against me because I won’t waste my time looking for what I already know isn’t there.

          • Steve Rusk

            Are you trying for some kind of award for copping out? Obviously you have nothing of substance to offer.

          • Then why are you spending so much time trying to badger out of me what I’ve already told you I’m not going to look for?
            All of the awards for copping out ought to go to those who spend all of their time trying to find support for their attempts at bearing false witness against those who don’t deserve the defamation. Why don’t you admit it, you’ve been sitting there for almost two hours waiting for me to respond. You can stop waiting, there will be no further responses, and any further attempts to wring one out of me will lead me to block you.

          • Steve Rusk

            I’m not trying to”badger’ anything out of you. I now know that you have nothing of merit to offer, at the moment I’m trolling a troll.

          • You’ll find that to be hard to accomplish since you are blocked, as I promised.

          • Steve Rusk

            Well I don’t recall you threatening me with being “blocked”, but I do have a nice selection of screen shots of what was going on here the last few day, so maybe Disqus should be made aware of the situation.

          • Steve Rusk

            My my, you can just manipulate this discussion any which way you want, can’t you? That takes a little practice, the comments are deleted in a manner which favors you or a point of view, so it’s either you doing it or an agent acting in concert. I was already aware there was tampering going on here, it’s not just my comments being deleted. There an agenda at work here, but I do have to give you credit, last I looked comments that I posted here were still up which have been taken down on other sites. You get points for that.

            It’s too bad we can’t have a real discussion, I would like to see you try to justify what you’re doing here. It doesn’t appear that it would coincide much with the Disqus mission statement, what is, providing the tools for open debate or something like that?

          • Steve Rusk

            Strangely enough my post seems to have disappeared, I guess I’ll just post it again and see if it sticks this time.

            Are you trying to imply that the Founders should be excused because slavery and genocide were preexisting conditions? Sorry, America gets the trophy for the largest genocide ever, not to be confused with the lesser events occurring before and since. We did it to steal a continent, at no time has any other group slaughtered so many to steal so much. As for slavery, yes it was already entrenched here, however while the founders were spouting all of their high minded propaganda about “Democracy” and equality, they did nothing to address it. It doesn’t help that so many of them were slave holders themselves.The result was that we had an internal war over it which resolved little. Today the race issue remains a cultivated and festering abscess on this society because of it. While Americans can no longer hold title to another human being, slavery is more entrenched here than ever. While many can still be considered outright slaves, even more are compelled to work for less than a living wage. All for the benefit of our ruling oligarchy.

            I don’t understand how you can defend a system of government designed to extend virtually unlimited favoritism to a few, while compelling the majority to placate them through the use of institutionalized deception. What we have is weaponized democracy, it must always have it’s victims.

  • We should give anyone who wants to go to North Korea a one-way ticket there in return for a surrender of their American citizenship, so they can never return as a native.

    • Cynical Old Bastard

      Right. That’s called emigration, dumbass.

      Native means native. Citizenship is entirely different. Look it up, dumbass. It’s in the dictionary.

      • I doubt that you used a legal dictionary to look anything up.

        • Cynical Old Bastard

          Why would I? Definitions don’t matter.

          • Then why do you use them as arguments?

          • Cynical Old Bastard

            Um… I don’t. I use them to end arguments.

          • It is a shame that your strategy didn’t work.

          • Cynical Old Bastard

            Hmm… it’s working just fine.

          • Or it is your alternative to surrender.

          • Cynical Old Bastard

            Say what?

    • Steve Rusk

      So just who is clamoring to move to North Korea? Or are you saying we need to banish anybody who goes there for any reason?

      • Obviously the men who wrote the Constitution meant us to use banishment like all of the monarchies that preceded our oligarchy.

        • Steve Rusk

          So you would banish anybody who went to NK for any reason? Do you understand what we did to them during the Korean war? They have every reason to distrust this country, especially with Trump running his mouth these days.

          • If we are going to continue to ignore the specificity of the Constitution in favor of its malleability, banishment worked fine for all of other oligarchies that preceded this one.
            If the world’s biggest bully had insisted on having a massive war game off the coast of my country every year, regardless of my annual and public objections to it, I would probably tend to act like the Kims all have.

          • Steve Rusk

            Banishment of a high profile individual goes over with the public much better than political imprisonments, executions and “disappearances”, so long as you control the narrative.

            I often wonder what else Machiavelli would have written had his banishment not been for the rest of his life. They also made sure he was completely cut off from the political events at home, it was truly hard on him.

          • I suspect that his writing continued and was co-opted by whatever patron took him on for that purpose.

  • Steve Rusk

    We live in a Capitalist nation and are conditioned from a young age to believe this is a mutually beneficial arrangement. While our oligarchs may frequently tell us just how “Free” that we are, if they keep all the money from this arrangement that makes us their slaves.

  • Undecider

    Put the blame where it belongs. With the mis-education system.