J. Edgar Hoover: “Need To Convince Public That Oswald Is Real Assassin”

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Amid the thousands of new files released yesterday – though less than expected – were two intriguing memos to, and from, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover on November 24th, 1963 – the day that Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald as the gunman was being transported to the Dallas County Jail after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

In a memo issued by Hoover, he appeared to be particularly concerned that the public would have to be compelled to believe that Oswald was a lone actor – not part of a larger conspiracy.

“There is nothing further on the Oswald case except that he is dead.”

In the 1964 Warren Report on Kennedy’s assassination, NBC notes, Hoover was firm in stating that he hadn’t seen “any scintilla of evidence” suggesting a conspiracy – a sentiment he expressed in other public forums, as well, but not in words as blunt as those he used the day Oswald was killed.

Referring to Nicholas Katzenbach, the deputy attorney general at the time, Hoover dictated:

“The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”

It’s not clear from the memo whether Hoover thought there might have been a conspiracy but didn’t want it to be known or whether he sincerely believed Oswald acted alone and hoped to head off public fear and confusion. Hoover also indicated that his concern may have been influenced, in part, by diplomacy, dictating that there could be serious international complications if the public thought Oswald might have been part of a larger plot. Katzenbach is known from previously released documents to have shared Hoover’s concern, writing in a memo the next day, on Nov. 25, 1963, that:

“the public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial.”

Interstingly, Hoover was angry at Oswald’s murder (especially after the police had been warned by The FBI that Oswald’s life was in danger)…

“Oswald having been killed today after our warnings to the Dallas Police Department was inexcusable,” Hoover dictated.

“It will allow, I am afraid, a lot of civil rights people to raise a lot of hell because he was handcuffed and had no weapon.

There are bound to be some elements of our society who will holler their heads off that his civil rights were violated — which they were.”

Though hard to read, here is Hoover’s full memo…

Hoover Memo by zerohedge on Scribd

Then to top things off, in a memo sent back to FBI Director Hoover, it was confirmed that “no effort should be made to defend alleged assassin Lee H. Oswald or “scream frame-up.”

Of course, we suspect there are plenty more interesting revelations within the files that were released and perhaps the ones that have not been released… Julian Assange’s Wikileaks has offered a $100,000 reward for any evidence of wrongdoing…

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  • endofwatchersbegan1/28/2011

    What is that EVIL in your eye, PeckerHOOVER? …Demoniac – head of the FBI.

  • Phil_Ossifer

    The best way to avoid being tasked by your superiors with investigating and solving a problem is to deny the existence of the problem to begin with. Hoover denied the existence of organized crime (Mafia, etc.) so he wouldn’t be tasked with investigating and destroying it. Probably because he was up to his eyeballs in spaghetti sauce (Hoover loved to play the ponies and gamble in Vegas, both run by…guess who? The same dynamic was at work here. If he denied the existence of a conspiracy he wouldn’t be tasked with looking for one, which is why Hoover released the “lone nut” theory within hours of the assassination. And Lyndon Johnson, who was up to his barn-door ears in the post-assassination coverup, wasn’t about to make any waves (after all, the assassination was how he got to be POTUS). Hoover also helped convince Johnson that a committee to “investigate” the assassination should be formed, that is, a committee whose activities he and Johnson could dictate and control. Ergo the Warren Commission, who went to great lengths to suppress, discredit and ignore any credible witnesses and evidence that contravened the official narrative that Oswald was a lone nut. So…don’t look for any “smoking guns” in these document dumps. If such ever existed you can be sure it was purged long ago and we’ll never see it.

    • Cynical Old Bastard

      Not only am I exceeding cynical, by nature and experience I am extremely suspicious–especially of government. Probably to government as well. Not really concerned about that anymore.

      I am wondering what they will roll out under the cover of this tainted document release. Whatever it is it does not bode well for our future.

      • Peter Okeefe

        from our leaders what does bode well?? yeah…I am still thinking too…

        • Cynical Old Bastard

          Hmm… generally I have an answer… this time? Got nothin’.

    • tscull

      No doubt about it.

  • Tatiana Covington

    54 yr later, the people are NOT so convinced.

    • Phil_Ossifer

      Remember the old Hebrew proverb: “A liar’s punishment is, even when he tells the truth, he is not believed.” We have caught the government lying to us too many times to take anything they say at face value. There were two deaths on 11/22/63: JFK and government credibility. In the 54 years since JFK didn’t get any more dead but the government steadily lost credibility until it now has essentially none left.

      • Tatiana Covington

        Recall that in 1996, 5x as many GenXrs were convinced that UFOs were real, or probably so, than believed that SocSec would be functional and solvent when their times to retire came round. Gore touched on this in his 1996 campaign appearance in Tucson.

    • Taco43

      JFK could only have been killed in one of three ways: by Lee Harvey Oswald, by a conspiracy, or by friendly fire:

      Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock is skeptical of Oswald’s alleged shooting feat. Hathcock was a former senior instructor at the U. S. Marine Corps Sniper Instruction School at Quantico, Virginia. He has been described as the most famous American military sniper in history. In Vietnam he was credited with 93 confirmed kills.

      Craig Roberts asked Hathcock about the marksmanship feat attributed to Oswald by the Warren Commission. Hathcock answered that he did not believe Oswald could have done what the Commission said he did. Added Hathcock:

      “Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don’t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn’t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did.”

      If a conspiracy killed JFK, Bobby Kennedy would have gone after the killers of his brother with the full powers of the federal government. He had a reputation as a ruthless and relentless investigator. There is absolutely no evidence that Bobby Kennedy pursued an investigation for any alleged
      conspirators.

      The regular presidential detail, already exhausted, had decided to drink and party the night of November 21, 1963 rather then sleep. Some of the agents were even drinking Everclear, which is bottled at 151 proof and 190 proof. Some agents stayed up until 5 am. One of the drunk agents lost his Secret Service ID. The next morning, hungover agents recruited George Hickey, a non-drinker, who was normally assigned to the motor pool as a driver, to be be part of the protective team in the follow-up car behind Kennedy’s limo. Hickey was given the job of commanding the AR-15, a weapon he had never qualified on.

      On November 22, 1963, as the presidential motorcade drove slowly through Dealey Plaza, something caused a loud noise, amplified by the surrounding buildings. Most bystanders said it sounded like a firecracker. Veteran agents thought it was a backfire. Secret Service agent George Hickey, riding in the left rear seat of the Secret Service follow-up car thought it was a gunshot. He picked up an AR-15, prepared to fire, and stood on the rear seat cushion.

      He pointed the weapon in the direction of the loud noise, the left rear of the car, looking for a target. Hickey, seeing nothing to shoot at, turned towards the front of the car, pointing his weapon in the general direction of the presidential limo. At that moment, Agent Bill Greer, the driver of the President’s limo, slowed to a standstill, causing Agent Sam Kinney, the driver of the Secret Service follow-up vehicle, to brake.

      Reference: Bill Greer braking
      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/59wit.htm

      Hickey lost his footing after the brakes were applied and reflexively gripped his weapon, inadvertently squeezing the trigger once, and fired a three-round-burst, killing Kennedy and wounding Governor Connally. An AR-15 rifle bullet (.223 cal) produces larger wounds with high velocity and a lower mass. The bullet tumbles, cavitates, and releases energy quickly upon striking the target. The bullet produces tissue damage in three ways:

      Laceration and crushing – Tissue damage through laceration and crushing occurs along the path through the body that a projectile, or its fragments, may produce. The diameter of the crush injury in tissue is the diameter of the bullet or fragment, up to the long axis.

      Cavitation – A “permanent” cavity is caused by the path of the bullet itself with crushing of tissue, whereas a “temporary” cavity is formed by radial
      stretching around the bullet track from continued acceleration of the
      medium (air or tissue) in the wake of the bullet, causing the wound
      cavity to be stretched outward. At high velocity and with bullet yaw,
      the temporary cavity becomes larger.

      Shock waves – At high velocity, shock waves can reach up to 200 atmospheres of pressure. Shock waves compress the air or tissue and travel ahead of the bullet, as well as to the sides.

      The next day, all AR-15’s were removed from the Secret Service armory.

      Reference:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopping_power

      Bobby Kennedy was the fixer. He ordered the cover-up. He was the only one who had the authority to order the arrest and execution of an innocent Lee Harvey Oswald to deflect the blame and protect the government from world-wide shame. (Oswald was actually standing in the doorway of the Texas School Book Depository, watching the motorcade). All videos taken by bystanders were confiscated. The videos released to the public were edited by having the origin of the fatal shots removed from the film. The government has manufactured massive amounts of propaganda to confuse and deceive the public, and bury the truth as deeply as possible.

      “The Echo from Dealey Plaza” by Abraham Bolden, the only black agent in the Secret Service, described the legendary partying of JFK’s Secret Service detail, and how he was railroaded to prison on trumped up charges by his fellow agents for telling the Warren Commission the truth about the Secret Service’s role in the “assassination.”

      Today, Bolden, thinks that drinking definitely had something to do with the
      lackadaisical Secret Service performance during the Kennedy motorcade. “The biggest problem I ran into with the Secret Service when I was an agent was their constant drinking,” he told me. “When we would get to a place, one of the first things they would do was stock up with liquor. They would drink and then we would go to work.” On November 22, Bolden says, “their reflexes were definitely affected by, number one, the loss of sleep and, number two, the fact that [some may have] consumed that amount of alcohol.”

      Quotes from the Vanity Fair article,
      “Could the Secret Service Have Saved JFK?” “Long work shifts and a tolerance for partying, drinking, and sometimes showing up for work with a hangover had become entrenched during J.F.K.’s years in office.” “Overworked and undermanned, the agency, under President Kennedy, had begun to skirt the department’s strictures. He was a risk-taker and a womanizer, who set a bad example.” “Agents acknowledged that the Secret Service’s socializing intensified each year of the Kennedy administration, to a point where, by late 1963, a few members of the presidential detail were regularly remaining in bars until the early morning hours,” investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh would note in his book The Dark Side of Camelot.” “From the beginning, the macho pride
      of the armed men of the service has made it a culture that has masked
      its weaknesses. Pride is not flexible and it does not ask for help.
      And since tough guys don’t complain, problems are often downplayed.
      Sleep and careful eating are for sissies. Training is for beginners.”
      “Even today, this old-school mindset has bedeviled the agency. It is still a culture of disaster — with changes made after problems — rather than a culture of prevention.”

      Reference:
      http://www.vanityfair.com/news

      “Mortal Error,” a book by Bonar Menniger, tells the story about Howard Donahue, a ballistics expert, who studied the Kennedy assassination. He took a human skull and marked on it where the bullet entered and exited, drilled a hole through those marks and ran a dowel rod through it to determine the angle of the bullet’s path. Tilting the skull at the same position as Kennedy’s head when he was shot, the dowel rod indicated that the path of the bullet originated directly behind Kennedy from the Secret Service follow-up vehicle. There was no ballistics evidence that any
      rounds were fired from the Texas School Book Depository.

      Recommended reading: JFK: The Smoking Gun by by Colin McLaren, a former Australian detective. A logical, detailed analysis of the events of November 22, 1963. Highly recommended. Read “The Death of A President” by William Manchester for the hints of truth written between the lines of the Official Lies.

      The Secret Service website says they take gun safety very seriously, a harsh lesson they’ll never forget.

      Other references:
      Read about this trauma surgeon’s experience with AR-15 wounds:
      https://www.thetrace.org/2015/09/bullet-injuries-wounds-trauma-surgery/

      Watch this video of an AR-15 shooting a
      melon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5sPOd8p314

      You can buy an FBI map of Dealey Plaza on eBay for about $15.00. You can draw a straight line from the Secret Service follow-up vehicle, to JFK’s limo, to where bystander James Tague was standing when he suffered a minor wound from the gunfire. It all lines up.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tague

      • MorganThePirate

        Menninger has been totally discredited several times yet some people still believe him. Triangulated fire is the only explanation that makes sense given the physical evidence.

  • Tatiana Covington

    How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

  • elbustaroyjetspeekerson

    Revealing, no? Do ALL trannie wannabes think like this?