Hawaii Coffee Farmer Loses Immigration Battle

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A big island coffee farmer who was able to rally the Kona community has lost his battle with immigration authorities.  The man has now said his final goodbyes to his family and had voluntarily deported himself back to Mexico.

Andres Magana Ortiz, who is 43-years-old, called Hawaii home for 30 years.  Hawaii’s Star Advertiser has said that Ortiz has come to symbolize some of the shortcomings of immigration law under presidents Barack Obama and Donald Trump. 

Ortiz is a coffee farmer, and really a hero to all of the morning challenged Americans out there.  But that didn’t stop the deportation back to his native land of Mexico. “We said our goodbyes at home,” said Magana Ortiz’s  20-year-old daughter Victoria Magana Ledesma. “My dad decided it was better for my brother and my sister to not go all the way to the airport,” she continued.  Magana Ortiz is a father of three and married (his wife and children are all US citizens), but because he was illegally living in Hawaii, he voluntarily paid for his own deportation, trying to make this situation easier on his American family.

On Friday night, Magana Ortiz boarded flights he paid for to San Francisco, Houston, and finally, Morelia, Mexico, where he was ordered to return leaving the family and coffee farming business all behind.  Anti-immigration pundits will say that he broke the law and deserves this outcome, but not all agree.  Magana Ortiz was a productive and tax-paying member of society, and he was not a criminal. But, as a boy, Magana Ortiz crossed the border from Mexico in 1989 without begging permission and that’s criminal enough for some.

Magana Ortiz eventually made his way to Hawaii as a migrant worker to pick coffee. He has been successful in the United States and became one of the most respected farmers in the Kona district, leasing about 20 acres and helping run 15 other small farms.  Magana Ortiz was also a leader in efforts to control the coffee berry borer, a destructive pest discovered on Hawaii island back in 2010. He even collaborated with the U.S. Department of Agriculture on field tests.

“I love this country and I love these islands. If I have to leave, it’s going to be very hard on everyone,” Magana Ortiz said before being ordered to return to Mexico.

The Obama administration started removal proceedings against Magana Ortiz in 2011 but granted him a temporary stay in 2014. In March, he was ordered to leave as the Trump administration stepped up enforcement against people in the country illegally.

Last month, Magana Ortiz was granted a 30-day reprieve on the deportation order that finally came due.  A federal judge, Stephen Reinhardt of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, wrote in a May 30 opinion that while President Donald Trump has said he wants to target “bad hombres” in immigration enforcement, “the government’s decision to remove Magana Ortiz shows that even the ‘good hombres’ are not safe.”

Unfortunately, Magana Ortiz and his family are all suffering because of the “bad hombres” the laws are written for.  This is just further evidence that good people don’t need laws to tell them how to act and to be successful, and the bad ones will always get around the laws to hurt others anyway.  

Magana Ortiz is one of the good ones, providing a service to people everywhere through his coffee farm.  He wasn’t one of the criminals who was putting other lives in danger, yet Obama started proceedings, and Trump finished it. It’s hard to say how long Magana Ortiz will be in Mexico, but his family is fighting to get him back.

 

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  • gazoo3

    All countries need to ban all immigration permanently.

    • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

      Especially the US.

      Liquefaction is the reason.

      The US is over-saturated with third-world dregs, and is beginning to lose cohesion.

      • gazoo3

        That’s the plan. You can’t create a one world ultra oppressive government without first destroying borders and a sense of national identity. Also more people equals more loss of natural habitats and ecosystems.

        • You were doing okay until you started turning green, comrade.

          • gazoo3

            The environment is the number issue. Bees and all other insects are disappearing at an alarming rate. We can’t live without them. While everybody is obsessing about politics they’re destroying the Earths ecosystem. world wildlife fund almost half of all wildlife has disappeared – Google Search
            https://www.google.com/search?q=world+wildlife+fund+almost+half+of+all+wildlife+has+disappeared&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU2o3U6fzUAhXFNT4KHaAbDgUQvwUIGCgA&biw=360&bih=508 insects are disappearing – Google Search
            https://www.google.com/search?biw=360&bih=310&ei=UnViWeHkK4ez-wGJ3p3ACw&q=insects+are+disappearing&oq=insects+are+disaapear&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.1.0.0i13i30k1.166645.177976.0.179424.24.23.0.6.6.0.552.5779.0j4j13j2j1j2.22.0….0…1.1.64.mobile-gws-serp..3.21.3504.3..0j41j0i131k1j0i67k1j0i46i67k1j0i22i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.zIEvgAbLmU0

          • Geoengineeringwatch.org has documented that the cause of the bee disappearance is the spraying of aluminum, barium, and strontium in the atmosphere supposedly to stop global warming. The same thing is causing several diseases among humans. What is a “number issue?”

          • gazoo3

            Pesticides and herbicides were banned in France and their bee population rebounded. Of course chemtrails are bad.

          • And yet, their flora and fauna are still dying off. Geoengineering is worldwide since the middle of last century.
            Did you bother going to the website I gave you the URL for?

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Roundup has also been determined to be a prime mover in the disappearance of bees, as well as a carcinogen.

          • When the only tool you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Surely you have seen “chemtrails.” Your coffee contains more different carcinogens than glyphosate. On the other hand, it also contains anti-oxidants and other beneficial chemicals beyond caffeine. Neonicotinoids were killing bees before glyphosate was developed, and are still being studied for reduction.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            The collapse accelerated drastically since Roundup became so ubiquitous. It’s gotten so bad that the government mugged a bee farmer for something like 15 years or research into matter, to keep it secret from us plebs.

            Hopefully, my Cannabinoid intake is sufficient to reduce my cancer risk to manageable levels. . .

          • Hopefully you will learn that the cannabinoids are as inefficacious as the pharmaceuticals that they replace.
            If you want to reduce your cancer risk, you have to reduce the fibroids that cause cancers to proliferate.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            The Endocannabinoid system has some function, which appears thus far to be – among other things – a defense against cancer.

            Increasing one’s Cannabinoid intake – particularly through the use of concentrates – increases one’s defense against cancer and, in many cases, eliminates cancer entirely.

            Every little bit helps.

          • Proteolytic enzymes have more to do with preventing cancer than anything else. You should read the writings of the late Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, who managed to save 70% of the stage 3 and 4 pancreatic cancer patients who came to him. He was also able to save a substantial number of glioblastoma patients, who receive only palliative treatment from standards of care physicians, because they have no way to treat or cure it.

          • WhiteEagle

            Cannabus oil, living enzymes from raw vegetarian food, an alkaloid diet, Vitamine C, all work against cancer. The modern diet with all the artificial additives, sugar that feeds cancerous yeasts, the chemical environment and irritants such as smoking all work to give us cancer.

          • Vegetables can’t provide the complete amino acid fix required for protein formation in a mammalian body.
            Pancreatic enzymes can do what nothing else can, per Beard, who saved dozens with them and then became unknown because he wasn’t accepted by the barbarians of the cut, burn, and poison crew.

      • It is because we were founded as a European colony, by, for, and of European culture. Everything was fine until the federal government stopped doing what it was supposed to insure that all immigrants were assimilated to the local culture. Magana Ortiz is a descendent of one of the many cultures that populated this country and our neighbor to the south. He has become a victim of the neo-xenophobia that the globalists are using to undermine every major country in the world so they can “harmonize” us into a world government. Until Americans understand this, we will be unable to eliminate the ‘bad hombres’ that are causing the discord either deliberately or through ignorance. IMO the appropriate solution to this problem is to repatriate our own military and put them on the border to get the situation back under control and reinstitute what we had before Ellis Island was turned into a tourist attraction.

      • Most of the loss of cohesion can be directly tracked to “the deliberate dumbing down of america” as demonstrated in the book of the same name by Charlotte Iserbyt, which can be had for free at her website, deliberatedumbingdown.com

        • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

          That’s a part of it – TPTB turning the Melting Pot into a Salad Bowl hasn’t helped, either.

          • It is more like brain salad surgery as practiced by the public fool system.

    • You are one of the ‘bad hombres’ mentioned in the story because you don;t understand that your ancestors were immigrants, at some point.

      • gazoo3

        It’s different now. Because of the threat of a one world ultra oppressive government and because of urban sprawl.

      • Americanmommy

        Americans LOVE LEGAL IMMIGRATION. No one is above the law. In Mexico they enforce their immigration laws. In Canada they enforce their immigration laws. WHY IS IT THAT AMERICA IS NOT ALLOWED TO ENFORCE OURS? Which laws do we as Americans get to pick and choose that we do not have to follow? America has great opportunities for LEGAL IMMIGRATION. No one is saying legal immigration is a problem, just illegal immigration.

        • If no one is above the law, there are lot of nobodies who are.

        • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

          Legal immigration is a problem.

          Fill a gallon jug with water, through the opening. When it reaches the top – add another gallon.
          Does it all fit properly?

          • Americanmommy

            America has always had LEGAL IMMIGRATION and rules that govern it. There are many rules and limits.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Fill a gallon jug with water, through the opening. When it reaches the top – add another gallon.
            Does it all fit properly?

      • ozarkat

        I think the difference many seem to forget is legal immigrant and illegal immigrant. No one has a problem with legal immigration.

        • The difference could be the subject of a graduate thesis, like most other areas of law.

    • Joe

      Immigration is not the issue. Welfare is. Let all come that wish to come but all that come must be 100% self supporting. This Man should be handed a waiver and his past 30 years should be proof he IS a citizen.

      • gazoo3

        I agree eliminating welfare would be a great disincentive but the NWO still wants to erase borders and nationalism. And urban sprawl is a major concern.

        • WhiteEagle

          I wouldn’t say urban sprawl, but yes, overpopulation via immigration, and from a country that Doesn’t practice birth control ( “we will outpopulate you, we breed like rats!’ …actually said by one illegal Mexican immigrant). Into a country that practices birth control , and I’m not including abortion as ‘birth control’, and is at close to 0 in overall gain in population, until the immigrants are factored in, is downright National suicide. And the rapefugees from the middle east do NOT assimilate .

          • gazoo3

            The environment is under attack and more people will o lying make it worse. Bees, insects and all wildlife on Earth have been disappearing at an alarming rate. I can tell you from first hand experience that many third world immagrints are litter bugs.

      • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ
        • THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH YOU DON’ FA

          Abolish dual citizen firsters from holding office, we all know where (((their))) allegiances lie. That’s one of the largest issues, then let’s begin with abolishing the fed reserve, aipac, adl, splc, and cfr. I bet that then and only then will we see a huge difference in this country.

        • Joe

          Makes sense. Which is why the jews ruling us will never allow it. It is time to remove the jews. It is past time for the 110th.

        • And yet, the rules aren’t in spanish?

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Except for when they’re translated into English.

          • Those weren’t.

      • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

        Immigration *is* the issue. When you’re importing the dregs of third-world shitholes faster than they can be assimilated into the objectively superior culture, it becomes a problem.

        This man (and his family) should get tossed over the fence and told never to come back.

        • MarkovDeBeeste

          (((They))) try to tell us that we’re the world’s refuge. Instead (((they))) treat us as the world’s dumpster. And what gets put into a dumpster? The garbage that nobody else wants.

          • Joe

            (((they))) is far more aptly written t.h.e.y. (t=the h=hebrews e=enslaving y=you), or
            t.h.e.m. (t=the h=hebrews e=enslaving m=mankind).
            This is more typing but far more descriptive and leaves no room for false interpretation. It is also my creation. I first posted this back in around 2005 after i realized it was, is and always will be jews that are responsible for all our wars. I also started the “it is past time for the 110th” which has not caught on so much, yet.

          • WhiteEagle

            Baalites, traitors to the Hebrew people and YHWH, who’s Son called them the synagogue of Satan. The weeds in the field.

        • Joe

          Dregs do not work. They leech from others. This is called welfare. If you can’t think beyond “close the gates the dregs are coming” to WHY these dregs are coming which is to be supported via welfare then perhaps you need to use your brain to think rather than your emotions? These people are parasites and we all know what parasites look for.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Every time I look at my paystub, and see just how much of my rightfully-owned property that has been extorted from me, I’m reminded of why.

            My first wife worked in a local welfare office, I’ve seen. . .

            In the front parking lot, where the “clients” park – Escalades and Excursions with 22-in wheels, tinted windows, and gold badges. . .
            In the back parking lot, where the employees park – ratty old cars with different-colored fenders and bald tires.

          • Joe

            Give this some attention. http://www.losthorizons.com

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Perused and bookmarked.

  • elbustaroyjetspeekerson

    Well, I feel for the guy and his family. HOWEVER, let’s extrapolate a bit here….
    Moving forward to today, the illegals are bringing various sundry items with them, mostly illegal things because they have the most buck-bang, and some may even imagine themselves as ‘entrepreneurs’ in the near future. Let’s say one hits it big as a coke purveyor. He’s doing a ‘service’, too, right? Should he be deported? I think absolutely so. What’s the diff here? Just for one thing, coffee is a drug, also….One CANNOT overlook the fact that Mr. Coffee broke the law back when. He made his OWN bed. I am CERTAIN he knew AT THE TIME of what he was undertaking, and the inherent risks. One thing not mentioned here is whether or not there is/was a Statute Of Limitations on illegal border crossing. Kinda important, Loogie….But, selective prosecution (and skating) will NEVER WORK. Either let ’em all in, or kick ’em ALL OUT. Figure it OUT, FEDGOV. And if you decide to let ’em all in, expect consequences.

    • WhiteEagle

      The pentagon cant account for 7 TRILLION dollars. Don’t they also have a slush fund too? Seems perfectly logical to appropriate some of those funds to defend our borders and BUILD THAT WALL. After all, our military budget is ten times more than Russia’s, of all things Bring the troops back home and defend the homeland from the real invasion.

  • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

    “I broke into this guy’s house and set up in the middle of the living room. I love the home I’ve made here, if I have to leave it’s going to be hard on everyone!”

    Fuck these third-world dipshits. . . dump their corpses back over the fence.

    • I doubt that the fence will ever be completed. It was started, and then defunded. It will always be a political scam.

      • Time Will Tell

        I’m just waiting until they start asking for volunteers. I would gladly volunteer two weeks a month to go to the nearest border wall construction zone and help. Keep dreaming dreamer ! The great US wall will be built and Mexico will pay for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Mexico wants it more than we do, to keep out the illegal guns that we keep shipping into their dictatorship. How close have you ever gotten to the border? I used to drive across it every day, just like busloads of mexican kids attending American schools still do.

          • Time Will Tell

            It would be a win win. I’m native Texan and spend a few weeks every year on the border with some volunteers…

          • I doubt that school kids commute across the border into Texas anywhere but at major ports of entry, and the fence wouldn’t be needed there. The police in Laredo aren’t worth the cost of funding them. They don’t even do vehicle accident reports, referring victims to the DPS! You must be pretty old to be native Texan since most of them consider themselves to be Americans since December 29, 1845.

          • Time Will Tell

            Time to make America Great again ! Just you wait. Enjoy the winning ! I’m sure we can work something out. Maybe open some border schools in Mexico and keep the Mexicans in Mexico and allow the U.S. teachers to go back and forth or use modern electronics to hold a virtual school where the teacher is OCONUS or CONUS and the students are where ever with a class room monitor person and a teacher that broadcasts to an onsite projector. It’s possible as long as you have a good learning environment. Nothing is so important that they need to come here to learn. Stay your arse out of my country ! I can not wait for the great US -Mexico Wall. Embrace the winning !

          • Why would American teachers have to teach Mexicans?
            America hasn’t had a good learning environment since the 1930’s, when “the deliberate dumbing down of america” was initiated.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            1852, not 1930.

          • If you read Charlotte Iserbyt’s “the deliberate dumbing down of america” you will find that it started back in the 16th century. It is free at deliberatedumbingdown.com

  • elbustaroyjetspeekerson

    At least twice over.

  • Time Will Tell

    BYE BYE !!! Next time try doing it the legal way compadre !

    https://me.me/i/help-me-pendejo-youre-my-only-hope-princess-treija-15130617

    • You just wait until they figure out which law you are violating.

      • Time Will Tell

        GO TRUMP ! Deport them ! Build that wall !!!!! I voted for Trump and I’m very pleased with the amount of promises he has fulfilled thus far. It doesn’t look like he’s about to stop anytime soon. I’m aware of the laws and choose not to break them. He knew what he was doing when he illegally entered another country… ADIOS !!!

        • Trump won;t get my vote next time if he doesn’t complete his major promises, which is why I voted for him. So far he is dancing with the neo-cons. You aren’t even remotely aware of the laws that you are breaking every day. If you were, you’d probably be as upset about being a criminal yourself as you are about an honest man doing good at variance with your perverted sense of justice.

          • Time Will Tell

            I seriously doubt you can name one law that I violate daily with out knowing it… You got any ? Or are you just sympathizing again ?

          • Time Will Tell

            Yeah… I read all that I needed to see under the comments for the book…

            First comment reads in part :

            “If you’re looking for everyday examples of the felonies you and I unwittingly commit each day, you won’t find them here.”

            You got any substance to your B.S. claim other than a link to a pathetic nothing burger book ?

          • How am I supposed to know everything that you are ignorant of?

          • Time Will Tell

            Good for you. Drop a name and a book that doesn’t pan out. Yet you can not give one good example of WTF your talking about. I call your BS. You commit a felony when you BLANK …. Every day. You said it now you can’t back it. I call Bull $h!T. Some want to fear for the sake of it. Others do research and know what the laws are and thus avoid breaking them. Ignorance is not a defense. Balls in your court Jack @$$. I’m confident driving down thr road and interacting in society knowing that i’m not a walking felony charge. Your ignorance is amazing.

          • Your greater accomplishment in ignorance has been a wonderful guiding light in the limited development of mine.
            Thank you for your support and assistance.

          • Time Will Tell

            Blah blah blah. Still No examples. Your full of $hit.

            Be afraid. Be very afraid of laws your breaking that you don’t know about while sympathizing for Juan the illegal. And you call me ignorant. ROFLCOPTER !!!!!! You should leave too. Why don’t you help Juan the illegal pack. While your at it you should go with them.

            Look in the mirror Jack@ss. Your moderate insults do not phase me. Keep em coming !

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            *Faze.

            You’re welcome.

            With the 10s of thousands of laws on the books, with more being added every year – you know what each law is, to be absolutely sure you aren’t breaking any of them?

          • Time Will Tell

            Most of the laws your talking about deal with corporations, business and commerce. Not jay walking and motor vehicle laws. Yes there are too many laws. But to walk around every day afraid that I’m breaking a law is non-sense. That is for the sheeple. I can tell Juan the sympathizer is a sheeple… Looks like your afraid of the law too.

            Ohh and by the way. English is a living language. So all you college professors with your grammar, spelling, and punctuation proof reading skills can lick the underside of my death mums butt. Yeah. Imagine that then let it soak in before your rattle off some spelling corrections. GFY.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Poor cretin – having Anosognosia must really suck.

            You must be one of those brainstems who “think” that proper spelling and grammar are “racist.”

            Here’s a small piece of the education you intentionally failed to get. . .
            Phase: a distinct period or stage in a process of change or forming part of something’s development.

            Faze: disturb or disconcert (someone).

            Looks like I fazed the fuck out of you. . .

          • Time Will Tell

            You detract from the actual article while trying to educate me.

            “You must be one of those brainstems who “think” that proper spelling and grammar are “racist.”” Nope – Language is alive and ever changing. Deal with it. I unlike you do not have college debt to plague me. Nor do I have the desire to shove it in everyone’s face like a Jehovah’s Witness at your door every time you open it…

            Yes. Yo’ur that anoying. Ohh and you spelled brain-stems wrong. Isn’t that petty and annoying as phuck ? Now that I know your watching with your little education magnifying glasses I wil spell moar and moar words wrong just to phaze you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

            Enjoy !

          • elbustaroyjetspeekerson

            Sooo, who gave YOU the authority to make ‘grammar changes’?? Soorreee, I didn’t know we are all supposed to genuflect and prostrate ourselves in your gloriously lugubrious presence, you disingenuous sack of (used) feminine freshness. Get over yourself, Illennial. You know NOTHING, about ANYTHING.

          • Time Will Tell

            I know quite a bit about a lot of things. I’m not the one for stressing about petty grammar and spelling crap like ol’e punk boy I’m talking to.

            Now back to what we started this little dance over …

            HA ~>! BYE BYE ILLEGALS ! ! !

            Thank you Pres Trump to have the ballz to enforce the immigration laws !

            Actual comment:
            Time Will Tell • 12 minutes ago

            BYE BYE !!! Next time try doing it the legal way com-padre !

            http://imgur.com/gallery/Igr1VFU

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            You know jack shit, except that which you were told was “proper.”

            Not a surprising bit of nothing from a State-theist.

          • Time Will Tell

            You got it wrong foolio.

            Actually, I do know Jack Schitt. You on the other hand do not know Jack $hit. Sounds like you are sad for Juan and his bam-beaners.

            I took an oath to uphold the United States constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic. Did you ?

            If you did then have you lost your mind ?
            If you didn’t then I can tell why your panties are pulled up to your helmet.

          • g.johnon

            fukkin bonehead.

          • Time Will Tell

            Cuck leftist antifa piece of $hit

          • g.johnon

            yeah, there it is, the pure troll comes out.
            by the way, what the fuck is a “cuck”? or is your little black tongue too far up your own ass to allow you to speak english?

          • Time Will Tell

            Look it up racist.

          • Your examples aren’t any more numerous or valid.

          • Time Will Tell

            I’m sure they are great people. Do it the right way and no one gets deported. That’s my point. Made it pretty crisp and clear from the start.

            You on the other hand cling to laws I should be fearful of yet cite nothing to back your claim. I call B.S. What other words of wisdom do you have to B.S. me with ?

            All i’m asking is for you to cite references to your points and yet you do not. Instead you hem haw around clinging to your BS.

          • Your ignorance of the regulatory controls over truck drivers in the US is telling. They DID do it the right way. They had to get sponsored visas to be in the country. They had to get Commercial Driver’s Licenses to drive commercial vehicles. One of them was a dual citizen, both Mexican and American, even though I was probably his only American coworker to know that, because I was the only natural born who would talk to him.
            You have a bad case of American exceptionalismitis which you demonstrate in exceptional ignorance and jingoism.

          • Time Will Tell

            Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh. Get a grip looser. Keep sympathizing with the illegals. We have borders and we have laws. Deal with it or move.

          • You aren’t very smart, are you? Neither of them were illegal. I have never sympathized with illegals anymore than I have sympathized with criminals, but there are more of both drawing government paychecks than are legal immigrants. I don’t have anything to deal with but jingoistic morons like yourself.

          • Time Will Tell

            So your not going to help Juan the illegal pack his things ? I’m pretty smart. Still no examples of what I should be afraid of ? ? ?

            Will you bleat some more for me ? It’s soothing to listen to farm animals. You sound just like Dolly my Suffolk.

            She looks like this.

            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Take_ours%21.jpg

            She sounds like she’s dying just before feeding time. Then after I feed her she promptly shuts up and goes and lays down in the barn until dinner feeding time and she’s back out there about ready to die again.

            You sound just like her. A lot of you here sound just like her. So stop being ignorant and learn what you need to know so your not afraid of the police. Stop being sheeple !!!

          • g.johnon

            so, you and dolly already married? or are you still just a courtin? 🙂

          • Time Will Tell

            Bleat some more cuck.

          • g.johnon

            disqo, you know you are caught up in the futile exercise of trying to reason with a knuckle dragging shill; right?
            bitch slap him around the room for awhile if you find some cathartic value in it. but don’t waste too much time with this lost cause. no fruit to be gained.

          • I didn’t know that you were too illiterate to understand it.

          • Time Will Tell

            Haha. I bet there is a lot that you don’t know. But im sure your used to it by now. Are you sure you don’t want to drop some bomb shell laws that your talking about and maybe redeem yourself a little ? Im still calling you out on your sympathetic bull crap.

          • My sole consolation in life is knowing that, no matter how ignorant I might be, there is always someone like you who makes me look like a genius without trying.

          • Time Will Tell

            “My sole consolation in life is knowing that,” wow… Who is the real loser here ?

            “there is always someone like you who makes me look like a genius”
            It took you 19 1/2 hours to come up with a response and this is the best you could do ? My reply took less that 40 minutes…

            I bet it’s because you still can not find an obscure law that backs your claim of ignorance and daily fear.

            Who is the real loser here ? I will do you a solid and give you a hint… It’s that thing you see when you look in the mirror.

          • My life is not based on waiting with bated breath for every idiotic thing that you post. The only thing I due when I look in a mirror is comb and trim my hair. I’m not as narcissistic as you are, and that gives me a wide guard band.

          • Time Will Tell

            Apparently it is… That time it took you only 7 minutes.

            BUILD THAT WALL !!! DEPORT THE ILLEGALS !!!

            BUILD THAT WALL !!! DEPORT THE ILLEGALS !!!

            BUILD THAT WALL !!! DEPORT THE ILLEGALS !!!

          • I guess you’ve never heard of coincidence.

          • THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH YOU DON’ FA

            It’s said that the average citizen commits an average of 3 to 4 felonies a day. You have a point, way to many laws on the books for the little people while the fat cats get away with murder. Trump hasn’t lived up top one single iota of any camain promises, doubt he ever will, he’s to busy bathing in the deepened swamp he’s built for his khazarian masters.

          • I’m not convinced that he isn’t playing one of his art of the deal games hoping to outsmart the neo-cons by going along with them, but I’m concerned that, while Putin probably understands what he is up to following their meeting, I’m not sure that Kim Jong-un or any other world leader trusts him. If he wanted to shut down Obamacare like he promised, he has the same authority to do so using executive orders like Obama used them shove it down our throats. If he has the authority to control immigration for the purposes of national security, why can’t he jail Hillary for her pretty obvious violations of national security agreements while she was Secretary of State? What leads you to believe that his masters, if he truly has any, are khazarian rather than Wahhabi?

          • MarkovDeBeeste

            Kim Jong Un doesn’t trust anybody and nobody trusts him. But he does fear the Russians, Chinese and Americans. There is an old Mafia saying that it is better to be feared than respected. Trump and Putin both know this is the way you have to deal with psychos like Un because all the psychos understand is force. You cannot reason with the insane.

          • How would you react to the world’s sole superpower parking a line of warships off of your coast? Only American talking heads are calling Kim Jong Un insane, while they are beating the drums for war. Of course, they all work for companies that are owned by military-intelligence contractors. Eyes wide shut?

          • g.johnon

            while your military industrial reference is sound, it does not dismiss the fact that kim jong un is a batshit nutter.

          • g.johnon

            who gives a fuck about un? if the u.s. farts in the general direction of north korea, that zoo will disappear for as long as the half life of plutonium lasts.

          • THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH YOU DON’ FA

            Absolutely

          • g.johnon

            i do like it when you are on balance disqo. nice post.

          • Time Will Tell

            Actually he has … The facts is the facts. Looks like a bunch of ANTIFA punks around here stinking up the place.

            http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/

        • g.johnon

          so, basically, you are just a card carrying pinhead republican partiot, fully ignoring all the wrong things he is doing while blissfully flitting through life without a clue.

          • Time Will Tell

            “you are just a card carrying republican patriot.”… Yes
            Card carrying gun weilding mother #ucker that would still shoot the thug robbing your cuck @ss in an alley, would more like it.

            “fully ignoring all the wrong things he is doing” … Give some examples antifacist scum.

            “while blissfully flitting through life without a clue” … You don’t know me. And from your assumptions it would appear that you are the clueless one.

          • g.johnon

            you left out “pinheahd”.
            the guy trying to rob me in the alley is already on the ground having just been kneecapped. he did not see it coming because he chose to rob someone who does not advertise his firepower. and i will admit that killing a fellow human just because he got his life screwed up would not make me proud.
            antifascist and scum can never fit together in a meaningful sentence. but fascist and scum almost have to.
            examples of trumps wrong doings: filled his cabinet with wall street and dc players. scum from the swamp he promised to drain. pretty much bent over and dropped his drawers for israel. came out with an answer to obamacare that was so freaking rube goldberg it almost made obamacare make sense. he still thinks his mexican wall is a wonderful idea and you do too. oh yeah, and jeff sessions!!! he does have some stuff going for him and he has done some good stuff like giving the finger to the global warming fiasco.
            so no, i don’t know you personally, but i am very familiar with your type.
            you exposed yourself as a pinhead fascist with your comment on the fucking wall. and i have no doubt that prison camps within our boarders to hold dissenting citizens and martial law just give you a little woody when you think about them.
            i bet you think hitler and mussolini were two of the greatest motherfuckers that ever walked the eart and that negros were put on earth for the soul purpose of cleaning up white man’s shit.
            these are just a few reasons why your are the clueless scum. not even intelligent enough to have a clue about how clueless you are..

          • Time Will Tell

            He put them there in his cabinet so they can A.) do the job they were hired for. B.) If they choose to be swampy they will be used as examples when they are Fired !.

            Do not assume to be smarter then President Trump. He’s the President and your just a nobody.

            Ever heard of concealed carry ? yeah I didn’t think so. You fool.

            So you are an anti-Israel POS ? Good to know. Trump didn’t put forth the obama care repeal. I wouldn’t put it past the lawmakers to try and put crap in front of Trump to make him look bad.

            Just look in the mirror and admit to yourself that you have no idea what your talking about. It will make you feel better.

            Build that wall president Trump ! Build that wall !!!!!!!!!!!!

          • g.johnon

            i do believe that i just explained concealed carry to you in my last post. no surprise it sailed right over your head.
            as for the rest of your psycho-babble. go tell it to yer gomer buddies.

          • Time Will Tell

            Everything sails over your head. Yet you continue to bleat like sheep yet your the wolf in sheep’s cloth. Your not helping the people here at this website. Your a little leftist troll and you do nothing to deny it. Your the wolf on this site talking to a sheep dog. Looking forward to the day little man.

          • g.johnon

            the fact that you call me a leftist just proves how brain dead you actually are.
            so precious that you consider yourself a sheep dog.

          • Time Will Tell

            Your stance on the border issue makes you a leftist.

          • g.johnon

            moron.

          • g.johnon

            and by the way asshole, i did not use the word “patriot” above.
            you don’t qualify as a patriot either. just a jingo bunny.

          • Time Will Tell

            Coming from a piece of crap that means nothing. Do not consider yourself to be a patriot. You would do us all a dis-service. I know my worth and I know yours.

          • g.johnon

            disservice dumbass.
            you bore me immensly, you can either fuck off or just be ignored from here on in.
            did you stumble in here by accident while looking for your favorite kiddy porn site or what?

          • Time Will Tell

            So you like kiddy porn ? wow. your a real loser. Get a life pervert.

  • Just like you could have learned everything you weren’t taught by the public fool system.

  • Mike

    dumb ass should have come here legally.

  • MarkovDeBeeste

    I don’t know if the law allows this but there should be some mechanism to grant the guy a permanent resident visa. But we should also permanently bar him from ever becoming a citizen because of his long status as an illegal. Such situations would need to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

    • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

      While we’re at it, let’s make special rules to benefit all criminals.
      Equal Protection and all. . .

      • g.johnon

        wow rev, when did you make that left turn?! 😉

        • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

          Sorry. . . forgot the /sarc tag. . .

    • Kilroy Wash

      markov, read my post please.

  • Joe M

    I would say his biggest crime was living here for 30 years and not becoming a U. S. citizen. Breaking the law has consequences.

  • Kilroy Wash

    this is a ton of BS, if the wife was a citizen, and the children were citizens, and on top of that he had been 30 years in the U.S., they could have petitioned him as a legal resident and then become a citizen, the very fact that in 30 years they did not do this, makes this story hard to believe, or simply he did not want to be an American citizen, which is his prerogative, but not doing anything to legalize himself in 30 years! after the many avenues to become a resident and then a citizen (I did them all legally) shows again that he did not have the interest, period.

    • Many Mexican citizens have no interest in assimilating into American society. They are here to make money and send it home to their families. They have no intention to commit crimes and do not violate American laws that follow the European codes they are familiar with. Most Mexicans are catholics, and following their religion precludes them from committing crimes that are biblical. A great many American laws are neither biblical nor common.

      • g.johnon

        since when does being catholic preclude one from committing crimes?

    • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

      If the parents aren’t citizens or legal immigrants – children aren’t US citizens.

      I know, I know – the terminally ignorant would have you believe otherwise, but it simply isn’t true per the text of the 14th Amendment as adopted.

  • Jeff

    Finally. At last. The U.S. government is finally starting to actually enforce immigration laws. Thank Trump.

    • g.johnon

      true enough, but don’t let it distract you from other trumpish activities.

  • Tatiana Covington

    He should have grown covfefe instead!

  • Jeff

    I am not a Christian but I am a very spiritual man, I kneel before m ycreator every single morning and give thanks. I do the same in the evening. Always with tears of shame.

    I am not a good man. I am evil and I am ashamed of myself.

    • g.johnon

      ah, then forgive me for the comment about your meds above. that other jeff is a world class scumbag.

      • Jeff

        No offense taken, G.

        CB.

  • phicrappazappa

    Crossed without “begging”? Puhleeze! The immigration laws are only written for “Bad Hombres”? Ms. Luger is obviously a liberal whack job. Rule of law has no meaning – only the way you “feel” about it gives laws any relevance. Magana needs to return to the US legally this time. Then I will say “Welcome Mi Amigo!”.

    • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

      One thing the Criminal Trespasser Apologists fail to understand – or they do understand and just don’t give a fuck (which I consider more likely) – is that each Criminal Trespasser is a kick in the teeth of every immigrant who has ever gone through the process to immigrate legally.
      It isn’t just native-born Americans who are fed up with this bullshit – legal immigrants are just as pissed, if not more pissed.

  • WhiteEagle

    So here’s the question, why couldn’t Ortez take the legal route to becoming a citizen at some point earlier? Maybe he has to do so from his home country of Mexico? I think if he ended up being deported he has to wait a year before he can apply, not sure on all the intricacies. And yes, it IS good to see he became a productive working, and intelligent adult. It still doesn’t change that he came here illegally, but should count towards awarding him citizenship later. As for immigration as a whole, the statements of ‘coming to America without BEGGING for permission, along with that of ‘Good people don’t need laws….and bad people will figure out how to get around the laws’ is not an excuse for not enforcing the law.
    Today we face a very real crisis of illegal immigrants sucking off taxpayer dollars, as well as raising up the crime rate and presenting a problem with National Security on top of it all. Not cool when you have the borders wide open for middle easterner terrorists to sneak through along side Mexican communist revolutionaries and gangster youth. Pause and talk to the ranchers and farmers that have land along the border with Mexico, and you will get an earful … poisoned pets, slaughtered livestock, constant thefts and robberies, etc.

    • g.johnon

      excellent post eagle.

  • ozarkat

    Well, he’s been in the country for THIRTY years. Twenty-five of those as an ADULT. So why didn’t he apply for legal citizenship? He gets married, starts popping out kids, starts a business. BTW, what social security number is he using for his taxes?

    Yeah, well you broke the law, you finally got caught, and now you have to pay the price. Don’t go blaming the government, you did it to yourself AND your family.

    • TripletMom1993

      Exactly what I wanted to know…why in 30 years did he not apply to become a citizen? What social security number is he using to pay his taxes?

  • Uncle Sham

    my question is how did he manage to hop Hawaii’s border wall? LOL

  • crazy2medic

    He has lived in Hawaii for 30 years and never bothered to get his citizenship? Then he has nobody to blame but himself!

  • Jeff

    I have absolutely no sympathy for this fool idiot. Just think what he could have accomplished if he had gotten in line, with all the other people who want to come to the United States, and done the right thing. There is a difference between being a legal immigrant and illegal alien.

    • g.johnon

      wow jeff, got yer meds straight eh?

  • g.johnon

    sorry dawn, you got this one wrong. he had 30 years to get properly naturalized. seems to be a good man so maybe he can get the process started and get his citizenship the right way and get back to the island without ever having to look over his shoulder again.

    there is a damn good reason for immigration law and who is a “bad hombre” and who is a good one can only be effectively assessed through background checks during the naturalization process.
    no overreach here, just a rare moment of government doing something right for a change.

  • g.johnon

    all well and good except for the part about “bad policy”. so, could you kindly explain why being required to be checked out before becoming a citizen of the usa is “bad policy”?

  • Jimmy B

    Was it Reagan, or some other president, that granted immunity to all those already here at that time? Wouldn’t he have been one of those?

  • OldPoorRichard

    Wow, you found the one frikkin illegal in the whole country who maybe we ought to let stay. If libtards weren’t coddling rapist, drunk driving repeat deportees as if they were downtrodden victims the laws could be better targeted. We have to get rid of all of the illegals because the genuinely evil ones are being protected by Democrat politicians making it too difficult to sort them out.