Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

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Austin Ehlinger helps hold a banner during a Guns Across America rally at the state capitol, Saturday, Jan. 19, 2013, in Austin, Texas.  Texas officials opposed to new federal gun control proposals plan to speak on the steps of the state Capitol during a pro-Second Amendment rally. The event is one of many rallies planned across the country Saturday. They come four days after President Barack Obama unveiled a sweeping plan to curb gun violence.  (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes:  Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war.  Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result.  My response would be – just give them time.   You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”.  Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populous is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss.  One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”.

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes.  However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system.  Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore.  It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity.  A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name.  Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite.  The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values.

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy.  It is not our ally or friend.  It is not a “part of us”.  It is now a separate and dangerous entity.  A parasite feeding off the masses.  It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans.  It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it?  If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us?  Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads?

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion.  Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land.  However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country.  Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections.  For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”.   It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”.  Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone.  While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri.  The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms.  It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality.  Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility).  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court).  At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation.  The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.

Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation.  Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world).  Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though.  Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it.  The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience.

This brand if internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM.  States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income.  North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either.  Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want.  All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.

Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation.  The process is usually done in a standardized manner:  First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners.  Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06).  Then take all semi-auto handguns.  Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”.  Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”.  Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting.  Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left.

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation.  I am not discounting that possibility.  But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration.

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun.  Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit.  You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked.  If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are.  Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have.  The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.

Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future.  Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year.  Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed.  Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think).  That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted.  The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting.  Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise.  Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last.  Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction.  For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all.  If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly.  Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags.  This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale.  But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant.

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas.  And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment.  The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others.  It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous.  The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has.  It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets.  We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power.  The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct.  However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government.  And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution.  The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly.  Force them to show their true colors.  Expose their dishonor and maliciousness.  Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy.  They will claim that we need a “majority” we do not have in order to prevail.  These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives.  They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant.  They mean nothing.  No revolution for good ever begins with “majority support”.  Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals.  When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy.  All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime.  We are the first and last line.  If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come.  This is our responsibility.  This is our providence.  There can be no complacency.  There can be no compromise.  There can be no fear.  It ends on this ground.  One way, or another…

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  • neslo

    This research from UCLA. What happened in Russia last night hasn’t happened for 100 years on earth. And we have not noticed a close flyby of a 15 story building by 15 story wide cube, ever before.

    So is this a coincidence? Well the big asteroid (now call it a meteorite since it hit) odds are 1 day in 100 years or 36500 to 1, or .0027%.

    They think that big object get kind of close every 40 years, but some say every 1120 years, lets use 40.

    So that is one in 14600 odds, or .0068% chance on any given day.

    The odds of both happening on the same day is .0027% * .0068% = .000018%, or about 5.55 million to 1 odds. Hmmm

    It is obvious, the powers that be will do anything to not scare the sheeple.

    There should have been warnings, not “don’t worry”. Stay near home, have your emergency supplies prepared.

    These warnings extend into tomorrow and the next day, eyes open, no fear.

  • stalker

    an excellent article stay awake and watch your six..

  • OldGuy

    I will stand my ground and defend my family and their rights with my life.

    HOWEVER…I do not have faith that when the tyrants start their collection process that anyone will stand up and assist their neighbor when they are kicking in the doors.

    Every single person I know does not want to get involved. They dont want to rock the boat on their own lives by standing beside others to fight this.

    All these posters on all these websites talk a tough game but in reality they will peek out the window while the alphabet police attack individual homes and will do nothing. When they come for your rights and liberties, your neighbors will peek out their windows and hide.

    This country has lost its spirit. We have been lulled into a sense of entitlement that says I dont have to do anything because someone else will do it eventually. Its called the pusification of America. Oh we all are internet tough guys but when the SHTF we are all on our own.

    This happens every day. I have seen videos of people stepping over rape victims and walking around victims of violent attacks and doing nothing. Do you really think that you are going to risk your life to defend your neighbor, (who was probably breaking the law, right?) when the feds come to take away his guns or rights?

    My wife and kid have already been told that when they come to my front door to run…get out alive. I am fighting back. My wife thinks I should comply to live. I disagree. If they come to my door they had better be willing to lay down their life for their belief because I do and I will. If my neighbors come to my aid great, if they dont, I will not be there to worry about it but they sure as hell will.

    I do not remember who said it or exactly how it was stated but I have always tried to live by this…Either we stand together or we die alone.

    I honestly wonder if Dorner was not one of the good guys that was painted as one of the bad guys. If he was one of us that was trying to fight back, look at what happened as an example of what will happen when they come for you.

    • Another old guy

      Old Guy, you hit the nail on the head.In the community I live in my neighbors would turn me in, in a heartbeat to the fascist police to save their own ass. I never met so many gutless people at one time and in one place as this place.When I an around people like this I am ashamed to say I am an American.
      This country is America in name only, it has long been taken over by Godless fascist people without firing a shot.These people are too stupid to see it.They think everything is OK.They have no clue as to what is going on in this country. Sheeple is too kind of a word to label them with.

      It was Ben Franklin who said, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

      I guess in this community I will hang separately.

      • Jean

        Where are you? Portoland, OR? New Jersey? Massachusetts? New York City (and white)? 😉
        Facetious quesiton, it doesn’t matter to me – but I’ve been around too. I just don’t have weapons they’ll care about at this point.
        Wish you both the best – stay frosty.

        • OldGuy

          Actually Jean, I am in the SE USA, dead center mass of the conservative mind set. Funny though I am not a conservative, nor am I a liberal. I live by common sense and constitutional rights. I dont care your race, sex, religion or any of the other stumbling blocks placed in front of common sense. If you do not harm me or anyone else in your beliefs or choices I say live and let live.

          • Jean

            Old Guy,
            I was being sort of silly, but…
            Anyway, I’m no longer of the “live and let live” mindset. Thos who should shuffle off the mortal coil must sometimes be “assisted” in seeing the light. Fortunately, most of them cluster in D.C. for a large portion of the year, and the bureaucrats can be corralled and dealt with afterwards…

            I think we need to think in term’s of John’s Moustache, if you will. You sound like you’ll know the reference.

            Got a call from the Ta Party yesterday, soliciting donations; I don’t think he knew what to think when I apologized for being able to donate neither funds nor lead…

      • OldGuy

        Thank you, I knew it was someone important but I guess my age is starting to wear on my memory a bit, but my aim is sharp as ever … now where were my glasses again … sigh

    • jj

      “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?… The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If…if…We didn’t love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation…. We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

      ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      • OldGuy

        My father told me about the camps he saw during WW2 and I will never forget it. He is still alive today and when I mention something about the way things are going here he just nods and has a sad look on his face. It breaks my heart.

        • SKIP

          OldGuy, Hillbilly and Melix have suggested I have put you down and if you feel that way, it was totally unintentional and I apologize for such.

          • OldGuy

            Its all good brother. I think emotions are running high and hillbilly and melix are caught up in it. I hear what you say and appriciate your position. No apology needed. Watch your 6. We need all of you to come home.

          • SKIP

            OldGuy, thank you sir. I hope to be home this year and before shit totally falls apart in the US. Quite a lot of troops here fear what is coming too.

    • Kulafarmer

      @Old Guy,
      I agree with you 100%
      I am in the same boat, have talked about this with my girlfriend, she says give them up, is your life really worth being shot in a raid because you wouldnt give something up that you really dont use anyway,,
      I was taught that you do not let people walk on you, and to be proud of your country, I can no longer say I am proud of my country and the government all the way from the local level up to the feds and Barry are walking all over us,
      No more,
      there will be no going along with Obamacare, no gun grabs, none of this shit, from here on out I fight it, if I get shot I dont give a crap, have health issues anyway and my physical assets are mostly lead and brass and heavy metal with rubber on it so NOT ONE MORE INCH


      • Jean

        Honestly, the only way to enforce OUR ideas is to, en masse, “talk” to the residents of Washington, D.C. And they’ll arrest everyone they can, but if they have a million people show up? Even 10,000 at once would be a disaster, but a demonstration that actually WAS 1 mil strong? Especially if armed, meaning, open defiance of any/all laws re: guns? I think the threat would no longer be immaterial, off in the distance, for them; it would be IN THEIR FACE. I can’t advocate it too much, though, as I don’t own any guns… 😛

        • helen sabin

          I agree with you and I DO OWN WEAPONS!!

          • SKIP

            I like your attitude Helen

      • Jean

        Funny how it wasn’t until a n_gger got elected that Michelle Obummer was, “Proud of her country.”
        Yet every libertarian, classical liberal, and conservative individual is FED UP and now wants out, either by leaving, secession of their state, or outright rebellion.

        Can we ship them back to Africa now? Including Michele and Obama and family, regardless of nationality?

        • I propose we start with you “Jean” wherever you may be from although I have an inkling where that may be.

        • melix

          Ya know Skip, it’s assholes like you that give real conservatives a bad name. Obviously you are unaware of how many blacks put their asses on the line during the Revolutionary War. Do us a favor and go die in a fire.

        • SKIP

          Hillbilly and Melix! If you think that color/race doesn’t matter to blacks and that either of these are irrelevent in society then you are not paying attention to WTF is going on in big cities, Zimbabwe, SA or anywhere else in the world. Race doesn’t matter much to Whites, BUT IT DOES TO BLACKS! that is not my racism, that is a fuckin fact! Take a hike through any big American city around 0200 and see how little color matters to blacks, you are PREY and they are PREDATORS! I am safer over here in Afghanistan’s cities than I am in American city ghettos and I carry a weapon in both places. Also, I did not say or type anything to put down OldGuy ever! I believe he and I are of similar age and so are perhaps more in tune with WTF is going on in the US and how bad things are because we have a base of reference.

    • helen sabin

      My motto is MOLON LABE

  • Ophiuchus

    There IS tyranny in Europe!….

  • Anon

    You know what this means right?

    The next madman using a tool to do bad things will have parts made from a 3D printer as to justify making them illegal.

    • Jean

      Likely true.

    • OldGuy

      I guess I have not heard about these printers. I need to take a minute or 3 and go do some reading. I might even get a wild hair or something and …. well never mind that 🙂

      • SKIP

        3d printers!!! FUCK! I just learned how to change the ink cartridge in our ancient Xerox machine.

  • Ophiuchus

    confrontation is inevitable…

  • Jean

    Bluntly, NO, there is no peaceful solution left. We no longer have common language, religion, culture. We have multiple “tribes” within one nation. therefore, it is no longer possible to peacefully settle things. Everything goes to the courts, which are backed by force. STATE force, which means they can take away whatever they wish. Removing weapons from the public only makes it easier to do so, when the time comes. I don’t think that Obama will be the one to confiscate all guns – just the ones Americans who obey the law can readily obtain, and are likely effective. We’ll be allowed to have ineffective weapons and IF we pay enough in taxes, and surcharges, and submit to enough inspections, SURE, ANYONE can have one…
    But when the 46th or 50th President decides we need to finish the process of pacifying the sheeple? THAT person will demand full-on confiscation, and the people will back it as, “sane gun control,” and inform on each other as happened in Russia. (Bear in mind, the young minds of today will be the parents of that timeframe. Got us coming and going.)

    The guns are only part of it, though. Controlling us through food and water, and power, and tracking us via cell phones and social media, plus drones? We are ALL one decision away from being an enemy of the state, and Obama himself (and Bush before) will gladly (order someone else to) kill us.

    Think of it in a general sesne: Do fisherman feel sorry for the bait? Do cattlemen think about the steer at the butcher? Does a Washington Politician give a rat’s @$$ what happens to an American NOT in his constiuency? Or even in his constituency, sometimes?

    In a sense, we are no different. “When they came for…,” “I was not, so I did (said) nothing.”
    If we wait for that, “Red Flag,” or that “watershed moment,” we’ll wait forever. But imagine the fear with 10 “DC Snipers” who actually shoot POLITICIANS instead of just civilians? Or one “mad bomber” scenario, who targeted (successfully) government vehicles? Bricks of C-4 on custom-built RC vehicles, driven to the targets? Someone sucessfully assaulting politicos with acid in a water gun? Etc, Etc, Etc.

    We need to draw the line in the sand. We should’ve done it BEFORE I WAS BORN, back before ’75, but … We could make ANY time “THE time.” ANY event could be the Rally point. What matters most is how we behave NOW, how we make it painful for the Political Elite (and not just the elected ones). And that will be a bloody mess, but it may be essential. We’ve given away so much power to the Feds and States and Locals that we’ve becoming slaves, and the pace is increasing: Look how we’ve managed to make ourselves trackable with cell phones. “Where’s Jean?” “Oh, there he is.” (Latitude, Google Maps, fourSquare, twitter, facebook, plus other apps, plus GPS tracking, plus triangulation, plus these things can be turned on and off remotely, and apps installed remotely, and you don’t even know.)
    Does anyone believe it’s only used for ADVERTISING? Even if it were, do you really want to be that CATALOGUED and targeted?
    At least with that, we can opt out by not having a cell phone. How can we opt out of paying our taxes? How can we opt out of the Welfare State? Can we state, “don’t take the SS/Medicare from me, i’ll cover my own costs later?” Nope – MUST pay it, but good luck trying to collect. Etc.

    The truth is, a just government gets its power from the governed. Until a notable group of us makes enough noise, it’s assumed we are all giving our consent, even when we post to sites like this.
    We need to make it painful: Votes, Dollars, Blood. Until the costs are expressed that way, we’re just pissing up a rope.

    Who can actually handle this? Who can coordinate a group (and become a target)? Who can disseminate the methods and means, and fudns that would be needed (and be a target)? Who can handle resupply, insertion, and extraction logistics, and be a target, and be branded a Traitor (whether it works or not)? And who is willing to do such things, and then willing to walk away afterwards, not become King?

    I don’t want control of (and thus responsibility for) others, but even I could be corrupted in that situation, and just take that power… And be no better than what was just removed. Pretty pathetic, that.

  • Are there any peaceful solutions left? Hmmm…well, lemme see…considering that you have used NONE of the peaceful solutions that are available, it’s hard to say. Oh, yeah, I do vaguely recollect OWS trying to do it peacefuly and the likes of you gun-totters calling them hippies and cheering when the cops were breaking their skulls open. So, go ahead, shoot each other and then shoot yourselves. The rest of us won’t mind as long as you leave us alone.

    • SKIP

      “Bluntly, NO, there is no peaceful solution left. We no longer have common language, religion, culture. We have multiple “tribes” within one nation

      What we have in detail is all of those listed above parasitically existing at the expense of one and we know who that is and who THEY are.

  • MustardSeed01

    I don’t think there are any peaceful solutions that we are facing and with each day that passes, our options become fewer and fewer. We are being pressed by a Socialist Regime that wants a confrontation other than peaceful and will continue to push us into the corner where we are headed. The elite and the Puppet Barry want this war and need it to complete their intended Agenda. We are just a moment’s notice from reality and face to face choice of standing our ground or becoming a slave and bondage.
    All the talk about Local, County and State Governments standing up to the Federal Government won’t and can’t work the way described. We must remember when SHTF and it gets stirred up real good, when the riots and burnings begin and start to spread and when the poor and middle class become at war with one another, it is exactly what they want. Then, Barry acting innocent will claim that he has no choice but to declare Martial Law in our Country, as it has gotten out of hand. At that instant, the Country becomes run by the Military. Congress, Judicial, the Constitution and Bill of Rights all become suspended until hostilities cease. Every Government entity becomes Federal. All Law Enforcement Agencies are no longer civilian, but become federalized. And when the masses of citizens within 2-3 weeks begin to starve to death from lack of food and water and trade their weapons for survival, it will continue on until there is an overwhelming cry from the American people for the Federal Government to step in and help, when the Citizens are willing to trade their freedoms for security will be taken to FEMA Camps. This will continue on for some time and those who cannot hold out any longer and willing to accept their fate will be collected and placed in camps.
    When we begin to look over the carnage and realize the thousands upon thousands of lives that have been slaughtered or starved to death, it will cut to the bone and heart of all. When we look up for a moment and realize we were made puppets in this great scheme to bring us under control and depopulate our Country we will only have ourselves to blame to be taken in. The few pockets of resistance remaining can be sopped up easy enough by foreign troops and we will have fought the good fight but lost the war.
    As we stand today, our time, efforts and planning should be offensive and to round up all those who have committed treason and other offenses against us and who are plotting our demise. The Executive Branch and Non-Government Officials, Those of the House and Senate who have cast their votes against the American People, Those of the Judiciary who are our enemies, The Elite should be found and jailed, the Banker Elites, the Corporate Elites, the Wall Street Elites, those of the Federal Reserve and Central Bankers across the globe should be held to answer for their corruption, criminal enterprises and theft from all the people of the world.