Gun Permit Forms Question Possible Affiliation With “Anti-Government” Organizations

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In good old McCarthy-style questioning, several state- and local firearm permit application-forms have- besides questioning potential alcohol- and drug-use and previous criminal convictions- included the question whether the applicant is, or has ever been, part of an organization “advocating”, or “approving” a violent overthrow of the United States government.

In the South-Carolina concealed weapons permit application several questions are being put to the applicant. Among the questions asked, the following one jumps out:

“Are you a member of any group with a purpose to control, seize or overthrow the government of the United States, any state or political subdivision by any means?”

The same question is being put to applicants from New Jersey, albeit in a more elaborate way (question 28):

“Are you presently, or have you ever been a member of any organization which advocates or approves the commission of acts of force and violence, either to overthrow the Government of the United States or of this State, or which seeks to deny others their rights under the Constitution of either the United States or the State of New Jersey? If yes, list name and address of organization(s).”

As you can see, the New Jersey’s application form poses the question more distinctly, questioning not only possible membership of an organization which sets out to “control, seize or overthrow the government of the United States”, but also membership of any organization “ which advocates or approves the commission of acts of force and violence.” It goes without saying that answering this question affirmative will result in denial of the firearms permit, possibly even alerting DHS-bloodhounds to your affiliation.


The same question pops up in permit application-forms throughout New Jersey. As I pointed out yesterday, New Jersey has the strictest gun laws in the entire United States.

Although it’s standard practice to pose such questions in application-forms for government positions and jobs relating to law enforcement, putting forward these kinds of questions for gun permits seems somehow to undermine the reason why the Second Amendment was included in the US Constitution in the first place. After all, the Second Amendment was not intended for hunting-purposes or shooting empty cans from garden tables. The right to own a firearm is, among other things, intended to make sure the people arm themselves in case government turns tyrannical.

As Kurt Nimmo wrote in his July 26, 2012 article Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, It’s About Tyranny:

“Obama supporters and other lovers of the state recoil at the prospect of armed resistance to a tyrannical centralized federal government and refuse to accept that this is what the Second Amendment is all about.”

In his article, Nimmo quotes Fisher Ames, member of the Massachusetts convention that ratified the Constitution in 1788:

“The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people”.

“The Second Amendment was to protect the ability of the people to violently overthrow the government,” Richard Schrade wrote. “Let’s remember that this country was formed in a violent revolution. Let’s remember that at Lexington and Concord citizen fired on and killed government soldiers sent by the central government to confiscate their weapons and arms.”

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  • Orwellian States

    Hell, most of the Democrats, progressives, in congress are commies. How would they answer the questions???

  • Rick23

    Now thats funny, regardless the fact many of us will over throw all government authority and more theirs not a cold day in hell I would put that on paper to for them to deny my gun rights. Maybe the rest of you idiots can. If you are that stupid….

    • Jean

      “Think about how DUMB the average person is. Now realize – Half the population is DUMMER than that.” -George Carlin

  • GrandpaSpeaks

    I wouldn’t know how to answer this. The governments definition of terrorist seems to change constantly. While election campaigning, I am not, but then after the election, I am. Pigeon holing people based upon a tactic is unjust and confusing. Where is the line and who draws it? Soon, it will be a mental illness to contradict the sitting government. Perhaps, it already is.

  • flabbergasted

    Anyone who advocates the Democrat Party and/or Obama would have to answer “YES” to these questions. It IS happening! From the inside! WAKE UP,SHEEPLE!!!

    • SKIP

      What makes you think all of us are asleep? Does a sniper make lots of racket, do LRRPs advertise their presence, are ambushes advertised? Do special ops troops brag about what they are PLANNING to do? No sir, all of us are not asleep. No offense meant of course.

      • Timothy McVeigh

        Thank You

  • Just a Thought

    I recently looked up the definition of Patriot and I was kind of shocked to find out my idea of patriot was completely off.

    Patriot : one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests


    My guess is there are alot of half patriots out here.

    Another interesting definition is Freedom Fighter


    I do not classify a freedom fighter as someone who only uses violence, but instead use his voice and brain to speak up against oppression(you should look oppression up too)

    Soon anyone with an opposing point of view will be labeled:

    Terrorists : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


    Which in fact by labeling someone a terrorist is and would be an act of terrorism.

  • Timothy McVeigh

    Keep buying ammo and guns until the ban. After the ban form hunter killer teams to harvest weapons from occupation troops.
    UN troops are coming.

  • Zebra

    Abe Lincoln was in a sexual relationship with Joshua Speed for many years. The southern newspapers caught on to the sordid details and dragged joshua’s name into the national spotlight.
    This so enraged lincoln he spared no life or expense in punishing the south.

    You won’t see that in your fed history books in school.

    Google Joshua Speed.