Florida Court Rules “Off Grid” Living Illegal

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Robin Speronis had been living in an off-grid home for many years without incident, until she was interviewed by a local FOX affiliate in November of 2013. Shortly thereafter, the city of Cape Coral tagged a “notice to vacate” on her property, due to multiple code violations, all of which stem from the fact that her home isn’t connected to water, sewage, or the electrical grid. The city has tried to argue that she is in violation of the International Property Maintenance Code for relying on rainwater and solar panels, instead of utilities.

Since that time, Speronis has been fighting the courts for her right live off the grid. Magistrate Harold Eskins recently ruled that she can live without using water or electricity, but she still has to be connected to these utilities no matter what. Despite his ruling, Eskins admitted to the press that the code may be unfair, “Reasonableness and code requirements don’t always go hand-in-hand.” Despite his supposed sympathies, he still feels compelled to enforce the code.

Still, Speronis has decided not to give up, and will continued to defend her case in court. Even if she doesn’t win, she has no plans to leave her home. “Even if they board the house up, I’m not leaving…They did the best they could when they took my dogs and arrested me. It fell apart because I’m unshakable.”

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  • Guillotine_ready

    Brave lady, too bad the courts are part of the whole plan to limit everyone’s choices and control our lives in the land that never was free.
    If we do not assert our freedom, roll back these incursions into our private lives and get the parasites out of the positions they have feathered for themselves we are on the way to our own destruction.
    Our country has failed, anyone can see that. Now is the time to stop worrying about the incremental moves these parasites are making and start working on the whole apparatus. Do not give in to fear, do not think they are all powerful.
    We own this nation and if we want off the grid so be it. The utility companies have been a court backed racket for many years, this is how they make sure everyone pays. This is also related to criminalizing homelessness, the homeless are hard to track and control. Believe it or not the homeless are also a lot freer than the rest of us because they cannot the found and harassed as easily.
    I for one am getting real sick of meddling, draconian laws, stupid attempts to force vaccines, insurance and all manner of ignorant egotistical rules on us.
    I sure wish a few more would get tired of it too.

    • IsReal

      She should have chosen a state that tolerates off grid living.

      • Cal

        No, ALL states are required to recognize that the US Constitution and all that is in Pursuance thereof it is the Supreme LAW of THIS land, and that they were going against the further limits and forbiddens the Bill of Rights places upon all those who serve within our governments – state and federal.

        • http://www.Xenu.net/ simkatu

          What in the Constitution prevents states, counties, or cities from regulating what sorts of homes people can build?

          If you don’t like the state law or local code, then elect people to change it.

          • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

            The Constitution doesn’t regulate anyone but the government. You’ll get further getting to know the offending code and challenging it in a administrative law court than in trying to elect someone to change what they didn’t write in the first place.

    • RJ O’Guillory

      ….this is a copy of a letter I have started sending to these fascists in our corrupted governments… and it is a legitimate goal of mine…that I intend to get going in the near future…let me know what you think…the NSA, CIA, DHS can read it as well…and KMA…
      ———————————————–

      Dear Corrupt So-n-So:
      1. – I presume you are intimately familiar with the ongoing fascist corruption, criminal activity, murder and treason that is currently taking place in our country, as well as the historic false-hoods…”We The People” have been fed with regard to our government’s historic corruption, since at least November 1963…and perhaps for decades before the assassination of JFK. I am writing to determine your level of interest in helping to sponsor a new, public, self-funded project…( public-financing provided by online sites such as “gofundme”…”indigeo”, etc. etc.).

      2. – This project will be designed to root out corruption and treason within our government, as well as battling against the corrupt nature of the government / corporate / media fascism that has taken root within our Constitutional Republic. In addition to targeting those who have deprived us of our larger, broader Constitutional Rights, we will also be going after (legally) those who have deprived individuals of their right to privacy and personal medical decisions. We have plans to set up a 3-Person Board to oversee the management and ethical development of our project, as well as serving on a permanent Board of Directors….as they help to establish appropriate political, ethical, financial and moral direction for our new National Memorial Project…”The National Gallows For American Values.”

      3. – Phase 1

      3a) – We are proposing the establishment of a new National Memorial Project. The memorial will be built at Ground Zero 911 and will be constructed of thermite-tainted steel from the three buildings that our treasonous government sponsored…or allowed to be imploded on 9-11-2001.

      3b) – The title of our new National Monument will be….The National Gallows for American Values…a 47 story tall…(fully functioning gallows)… with red-hot, liquid steel running through the site and steam rising from the grounds 24 / 7 for eternity. The location of the National Gallows will be centrally situated in NYC as near to the WTC Treason as possible…. in order to give millions of Americans the opportunity to personally watch as their treasonous political leadership… previously and legally sentenced… convicted and sentenced to hang…this is where they will be executed.

      3c) – This is the site where we will hang dozens of convicted traitors at one time…giving millions of furious, free Americans a chance to watch the public execution of convicted, corrupt traitors…(perhaps, even…while throwing rotten fruit, feces and garbage at the scum who have violated our Constitution and their oath). While these traitors slowly choke to death…corrupt police forces, national police forces and their leadership …and those intelligence agencies who implemented and activated 911…as well as convicting and hanging all those who started these treasonous, illegal wars and torture programs…and those who support and defend The Patriot Act…well…as these treasonous bastards slowly choke to death…perhaps they will understand what true liberty and freedom really feel like.

      4. – Phase 2

      4a) – While fund-raising for the construction of…The National Gallows for American Values…and accomplishing the tangible work of acquiring land, building permits and all those government-related-idiocies that modern America requires, The National Gallows Project will also be raising funds…with the wide-ranging goals of financing public relations campaigns, political groups and both investigative and historic research teams. The ultimate goal of these Investigative and Research teams will be to uncover evidence of treason, war crimes and crimes against humanity ..(going back fifty years…for those still alive)…and to prosecute all those involved in the purposeful destruction of our revered Constitutional Republic.

      4b) – The purpose of the fully-functioning, National Gallows Gallows Memorial will be to serve as a reminder to those in government who act to steal, repress…or dilute our Constitutional Protections and Liberties. This would include all those who broke their oath to defend and protect The Constitution…and those engaged in war-crimes and the theft of other people’s natural resources under the ruse of…”fighting terrorism”…as well as other crimes against humanity that our own government has inflicted upon their own people and those of foreign lands.

      5. – Phase 3

      5a) – While The National Gallows will serve as the execution location for all those found to have engaged in treasonous conduct over the past fifty years…we are also interested in acquiring land in each of the fifty states in order to build smaller replicas of The National Gallows. Whereas we plan on being able to hang dozens of traitors simultaneously at The National Gallows in NYC…we would like to have local replicas available for those residents of communities that are being overrun with corrupt government traitors. For example…the people of Utah may wish to charge every member of The NSA who works in Utah for violations of their 4th amendment rights…they may want to convict them for treason and then hang them.

      5b) – Another great example…for those who still believe in the Constitution…they may want to charge, convict and hang any of their… “representatives”… who voted to violate the people’s rights…such as voting for Constitutional Abortions such as The Patriot Act and The NDAA.

      5c) – We will be developing ad campaigns, public relations opportunities and public shaming of corrupt government officials and asking them… “Would you be willing to propose legislation supporting The National Gallows Project…and the concept of Charge / Conviction / Hanging of all those who violate our Constitution and our personal, civil rights? Even corrupt, government, business and media officials and those hoping to achieve higher office…would you vote to convict and hang those type of people?”….

      5d) – “Would you support the charging, conviction and execution of all military and political leadership who participated in the illegal wars of the past fifty years…just as they did after WWII in Nuremburg? Would you support charging the military and political leadership with treason for Vietnam, Panama, Iraq- 1, 2 or 3…Libya, Yemen, 911…Waco…Ruby Ridge…etc., etc. etc.?”…

      So…please let us know of your position on this vitally important subject…as we’d like to know if you are a supporter of The Constitution…or an enemy of the American People, Freedom and Liberty the world over?

      Regards,

      RJ O’Guillory
      Author –
      Webster Groves – The Life of an Insane Family

      • http://www.Xenu.net/ simkatu

        It’s not fascism. It’s a building code. We have them so we don’t have favelas and shantytowns.

        If you don’t like the code there is a democratic process one can take every year or two, where you and your like-minded friends elect leaders to make changes or to get rid of laws or codes.

        • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

          We have them so that the elites can control everything about our lives.

        • RJ O’Guillory

          …it is fascism…building codes are designed to insure sanity and safety…all elements of which this property meet…but when you are demanding through force that someone hook up to a specific source of electricity or water…for the purpose of insuring broad compliance from the other serfs in order to further the water, electric or gas company’s bottom line…that is fascism…the mingling of government and business. With regard to that democratic process you were explaining to me….I have a question for you. How’s that been working out for you lately….like the last fifty years? Seen a lot of “Justice” have you?
          Sheep.
          RJ O’Guillory
          Author –
          Webster Groves – The Life of an Insane Family

    • http://www.dontflyoverwater.com FreddyIsTheDevil

      ok, when we are so tired of being tired, what then?

      load something and unload it somewhere ?

  • Carl Stevenson

    There are many levels of petty tyrants who just cannot leave people alone, despite the fact that they are harming nobody.
    Back in the day, such tyrants would be tarred and feathered and run out of town, or simply shot. I like the old ways myself.

  • bill lopez

    Arrest every homeless person in Cape Coral, Florida – for are they not living “off grid”?

    • http://theadamsfiles.com/ Keith

      It is south Florida, so they have been fining people for feeding the homeless nearby (I think Daytona??), so don’t give them anymore ideas.

      Irony is in Florida you can built a “Crackerjack house” without permits if you do the work yourself. So maybe she will have a chance with an appeals. I just hope some violent thug in uniform decides to enforce the law and gun her down.

      • bill lopez

        It was sarcasm – however – one other BIG thing to remember was she was fine until she went on the news. While I am one who believes that a “right” is not truly a right unless you can express it, sometimes it’s better to keep quiet and keep on doing whatever you want.

        In the New World Order it’s never a good idea to go public. Fly below the radar

        • RJ O’Guillory

          ….good tactics…and necessary for survival in the short-term…I agree…. but a terrible life-long choice I think…. I’d rather die standing up…than die on my knees for these animals….
          RJ

  • mirageseekr

    The courts (as well as the schools) need to give up on these “zero tolerance” one size fits all stances. While I can see how this law probably came about because of people living in squalor, that is clearly not the case here so why do we have these mandatory one size fits all laws? We need to go back to letting elected judges make decisions, that way if you do not approve of them they can be gotten rid of and also they could actually use their judgement in a case and not have their hands tied by the state. Just another example of too much government, think of this the next time they try to sell something as “mandatory” or “absolute” because of course they will always tell you why its a good thing but never point out how it can be warped and used as a weapon.

    • http://theadamsfiles.com/ Keith

      Sir, you are asking people to think for themselves, and in this era of selfies and reality TV, that is just crazy talk!

  • frankw

    The slaves cannot be allowed the luxury of independant choices in lifestyle. Free people are, afterall, difficult to control and manage. What would happen to the great New World Order if the peasants were allowed to opt out of the plan for them?

    • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

      It would dissolve into dust, which is why we peasants should engage in as much resistance as we can muster.

  • Joe2D2

    I recall Chris Duane saying, “There are only two kinds of people; those that want to be left alone and those that won’t leave you alone.”. True words for sure.

  • http://theadamsfiles.com/ Keith

    Irony, south Florida is very liberal and likely into the whole “Global Warming” thing. Isn’t this house that is completely self sustainable, environmentally friendly exactly what they want? Or is it that the whole global warming thing is about more government control over our lives. I think this example is quite telling in that regards.

    • Michelle Lee

      Global warming is about money, as in carbon credits and carbon taxes, also it is about the evil UN agenda 21

      • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

        Is there a not evil UN agenda 21?

  • Jason Brown

    International property maintenance code? Since when do our courts uphold international codes and laws? This country is so messed up! We are all SCREWED!!!!

    • pesky_facts

      And the kicker is … codes aren’t laws!

      • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

        Codes are a form of law, but they are not passed by legislatures, but by unelected regulatory bodies, and can be challenged in administrative law courts by pro se litigants.

      • Jason Brown

        Funny, regulations aren’t laws either, but look at how we have allowed them to wreck our economy.

  • Haywood Jablome

    I would love to see some Oath Keepers show up when the Nazis try to evict her. That would be entertainment!

    • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

      I’d like to get a call back from either of the representatives for Oathkeepers in Wyoming, which have failed to return every call to them.

  • Viagravated

    I can see clearly a civil war brewing.

    • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

      The question is whether you are a combatant or a victim.

      • Viagravated

        @anon – I’m not going to stick around for it, but government seems to be relentlessly pushing in that direction. Eventually they will succeed in going too far.

  • berrybestfarm

    So, the city hooks her up to their utilities against her will. Then, several months later shut them off for non-payment of services she never contracted for. Of course they will slap a lien on her property for the costs of connection and non-use of service but if they are the ones shutting her off they no longer have a legal leg to stand on to go after her for not being hooked up.
    I’ve been through this battle in a gentler form, locally. I refused to put in a septic system because I need all the compost I can make for my organic garden. I got them by demanding they compensate me for the easement they would require to inspect the system over time. There may be a similar provision for Ms. Speronis–there may be a section buried in their rules that requires periodic utility inspections which means coming onto her private property and interfering with her enjoyment, privacy and peace therein. This equals compensation by the government for the “taking” of her property. I suggest the cost of the citiy’s hook up fees is reasonable.
    Dennis Patterson–Deer Park,Washington

    • RJ O’Guillory

      …very smart. I was a Federally Protected Whistle Blower for US DoD for over two decades. The corrupt people always start with sly corruption, but then almost immediately are required to resort to…blunt force….as they are often intellectually limited and are simply…”following orders”… So your use of the details of the regulations and the ability to make them “hold the ball” so to speak was an excellent move. When you turn the tables on people who think you will be intimidated, they are flustered…have no idea how to respond and often times, make poor decisions that can come back to haunt them. Good for you.
      RJ O’Guillory
      Author –
      Webster Groves – The Life of an Insane Family

  • Dan

    In Detriot your water gets turned off for nonpayment. In FLA you want it turned off, you go to jail. Interesting.

    • Michelle Lee

      Oh no they will turn your water off for non payment I am sure of it, I do live in the place, you remember the hanging chads, yep that is what the gov and local gov are like, people trying to count hanging chads, I am not from here though, so I know how f–ked it is

  • hvaiallverden

    Thats the glory of “capitalism” isnt it.
    Hugh corps whom sucks subsidieas and rises bills to heaven, alwoe thrue their AGWs cargo cultistas aka the CarboNazis, to “hamper” the AGW.
    And they have created massive coprs whom is depending upon subs. and robbing people windmills and solar panel corps, is making the rules and is protecting Their investments thrue a rotten and corupt policy.

    The if you go if THEIR grid, thats when You became a criminal, since you arent attaced, and wil force, by corrupting the law, people to conect, and this hypocrasy regading enviriomental isses alongside, is hallarious.
    But then again, the facism in its pure fom and function.
    Yup, you have becomed a neoFaudal kingdom, where robberbarons rule the land, and you are nothing more than a brick in the wall.

    wake up

    peace

  • http://www.facebook.com/frederick.altland Frederick Altland

    That’s beat how they can just force someone to hook up to utilities. It’s like telling the Amish people they must have water and electric service.

    • Michelle Lee

      The Amish would laugh at them!

      • Jim

        Maybe she should convert.

        • Michelle Lee

          I don’t believe there are any amish in Florida

          • Writing on the Wall

            There is a huge Amish community in Sarasota. They are either Yoder’s or Millers…. They cant have horses in town so they ride bicycles.

            No kidding… They even filmed an episode of Amish Mafia here.

          • Michelle Lee

            I know many Amish Yoder’s but not the ones that live in Florida, pretty cool, didn’t know that, thanks for the info

  • Cal

    ” The city has tried to argue that she is in violation of the
    International Property Maintenance Code for relying on rainwater and
    solar panels, instead of utilities.”

    I know this is going to be a big shock to the magistrate who did not use/follow the supreme LAW of THIS land – and to the treasonous and unlawful scum that pressed those charges – but this is America, and they are required to take and KEEP a binding Oath to support and defend the US Constitution before anything else, including orders of superiors or the duties of the position they occupy.

    Breaking that Oath is at least one felony and the crime of Perjury. It also means that they broke the contract that they are under and no longer meet the requirements of the position they occupy – city officials, magistrates, judge(s), etc.

    America and American citizens are NOT under foreign laws here, we are under the US Constitution – the same Constitution which those that serve within our government get their authority from WHEN they are doing their duty as the US and state Constitutions require and KEEP the Oath.

    Putting it into plain English – the Ninth Amendment makes it very clear that there are other Natural Rights PROTECTED from those who serve within our government that are NOT LISTED but are still protected from those who serve within our governments – state and federal.

    People lived “off-grid” way before there were governments, and as long as they cannot prove that this is a health hazard – real one, not made up one – THEY have trespassed, quite possibly committed *Terrorism against her, and anyone else that was there, kidnapped, etc because she has the LAWFUL right in THIS nation to live off-grid if she so desires, as does anyone else. Statutes, regulations, etc ALL MUST be in Pursuance thereof our US Constitution. They are lesser “laws” being used against the people, and many times cannot even be lawfully applied to the people IF they were not created within the proper branch of the state and/or federal government and in Pursuance thereof the US Constitution.

    “Eskins admitted to the press that the code may be unfair, “Reasonableness and code requirements don’t always go hand-in-hand.” Despite his supposed sympathies, he still feels compelled to enforce the code. ”

    Since it is an international code that is at conflict and going against the US Constitution, since Eskins should have KNOWN as a Magistrate that if that International law/code/regualtion is not in Pursuance thereof OUR US Constitution it does NOT apply here, not lawfully there was a .. error .. made against her and theymust make it right from their own pockets – the Oath makes them PERSONALLY responsible.

    Why else do you think people within the military were charged and prosecuted for following unlawful orders? Because of the Oath that they are REQUIRED to take, understand, etc they are, and can be, and have been held responsible for their own actions.

    *28 C.F.R. Section 0.85 Terrorism is defined as “the unlawful use of
    force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or
    coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof,
    in furtherance of political or social objectives”.

    Using an International regulation, law, etc against the American people does meet that requirement of “… intimidate or
    coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof,
    in furtherance of political or social objectives” – NWO anyone?

  • omni

    government just keeps getting more oppressive by the day. Russia looks good in comparison.

    • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

      Russia, following the collapse of the USSR, started where we are headed. It is interesting that Russian laws are prohibiting more biblical wrongdoing than American ones are. While homosexuals are getting married here, they are getting incarcerated over there, where there is no right to be a sexual deviant.

      • omni

        I have spoken to Russian immigrants living here(USA). The only gays getting arrested in Russia are gays that preach their lifestyle to MINOR children. Russia draws the line at that. Otherwise they are free to to live, work and live together(but not marry). One of them, speaking about the direction America is headed said “I know where this train leads to”. As for going back to the biblical code, what is wrong with thou shalt NOT
        kill
        steal
        commit adultery
        and shall-honor parents?-it is just a moral code to live by.
        In the US there are over 200,000 laws and regulations on the books of fed-state-local gov’ts and their bureaucracies. I guarantee you that you are in violation of MANY of them each day.

        • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

          There is nothing wrong with the biblical code, but it is followed, or not, just a hypocritically as the Constitution is. Imagine what would happen if Christians actually did exactly what the bible tells them to.
          With 22 specific death penalties in the bible, there’d be dead and dying sinners all over the place.

  • TanDaLayO

    I tell anyone living in Florida to get the hell out…one of the most corrupt states in the union…..period.

  • CharlesH

    Robin…more power to you!!

  • Undecider

    Where is the local militia to back her up? So much for believers in the Constitution and Bill of Rights! Oh wait! Were we expecting the Agenda 21 abiding U.S. government to help her?

    When the people are get tired enough of this, they’ll finally decide to stand up and exercise their rights as the Founders intended. Until then, expect to continue getting raped.

  • John Tahoe

    The President and his cronies are blatantly destroying America. I was at dinner a few hours ago and talked about our government tyranny. I made comments about the Clinton scandal, The TPP and lack of transparency, the intentional immigration movement by the left, the replacement of SCE American workers with “immigrants,” and other issues. I was told to stop being negative. All are 50+ white working adults and they think I am crazy.

    Any comments?

    • Whippit

      Know your audience.
      Domesticated Sheeple are NOT wild Mountain Goats.

    • http://www.Xenu.net/ simkatu

      You are crazy.

      • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

        It is better than being grossly ignorant.

      • John Tahoe

        Crazy for liberty!

    • Writing on the Wall

      Get new friends

      • John Tahoe

        They are my immediate family.

  • 1m

    OK so I am to assume that those that live in the swamps of Florida are also in violation of their so called law or is it just those who show ingenuity and responsibility that live in towns, or is it just this town??? WOW Totally irresponsible governing. Vote them out.

  • http://www.shitsenders.com Я0llyJ0g3r

    She’s got more balls than most men in this country.

    • http://www.Xenu.net/ simkatu

      She stole the house you know. She robbed an old man to get it. Very ballsy.

      • http://www.shitsenders.com Я0llyJ0g3r

        Did not know that.

      • http://www.shitsenders.com Я0llyJ0g3r

        Did not know that.

  • http://www.shitsenders.com Я0llyJ0g3r

    Kick ’em out of our country!

  • BillClitone

    I am 48, and what is this?
    I don’t even!

  • Gryphonkin

    Does it help that it looks like she forged paperwork to get the house and it basically looks like she stole it?

    http://www.news-press.com/story/news/2014/01/18/power-struggle-woman-city-at-odds-for-living-off-the-grid/4809231/

  • http://www.Xenu.net/ simkatu

    It’s weird who the right chooses for it’s heroes. George Zimmerman, Cliven Bundy, and now this clown.

    You know this woman is a criminal. And I’m not talking about because she is using the sewer while not paying for it. She literally stole the house from an old man and forged the title work to get it.

    • Gryphonkin

      Yey, fellow farker. hello ^_^

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/political_reading_room/ disqus_3BrONUAJno

    The International Property Maintenance Code doesn’t have anything to do with the United Nations.

  • chimera

    1) since when does a “color of law” international “code” trump the constitution?

    2) she needs the land patent for her land. Florida came to the U.S. By treaty. Theat land patent ties the treaty to her. That is the highest form of land title in America.

    3) she needs to make them prove that they own an interest, the international body that issued this code, the city, or the state? If they cannot prove that they are an interested party in her PRIVATE contract where she bought the property, they Must bugger off. That is in their own codes!

  • Kyle William Loshure

    Here’s how to do it! Author Solar Independent Utility Systems Manual

  • http://www.dontflyoverwater.com FreddyIsTheDevil

    legal is puke, as long as it is lawful you are fine. screw the pretend gov’t

  • http://ikkebike.norwegianforum.net/f2-off-topic-diverse Vaktbikkja

    Just goes to show that the “laws” are there to protect our Masters investments, not to secure our freedom. All public law is merchant law. :-(

  • Neptus 9

    Yet another failing of current government.

  • brandon

    sad this home has water and electricyet it goes against code yes the code was in place so homes with have water and electric I believe the code needs to be changed and updated with new technologies out there

  • dluch

    it should also be illegal not to have & watch TV – how else can Govt propaganda be spread?

  • ccambridge

    F the government. They are violating this woman’s rights.

  • taranisx

    The legislation that the so-called court relies on to justify its stance is Fraud. See it proved here http://bulletprooflaw.wordpress.com

  • Larry Blake

    Give a little person a little authority, and they will abuse it every time.