Church, Govt Argue Child Sex Predators Innocent Because Children Consented

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The Catholic Church and government agencies in the United Kingdom have developed a new argument to avoid paying out settlements to victims of pedophilia and sex abuse: they’re claiming the children consented.

As the Telegraph noted over the weekend:

“Lawyers who represent some of the victims have told the Sunday Telegraph that the defence is more frequently being used by private schools, religious groups and local authorities when trying to defend compensation claims.”

Though news of these recent attempts to avoid paying settlements emerged last month, the Telegraph recently viewed documents from two court cases in which defense attorneys used the “consent” argument.

“One claimant was told by lawyers for the Catholic Archdiocese of Southwark that his abuse, which included rape and began when he was 15, ‘actually occurred in the context of a consensual relationship (albeit one the Claimant in retrospect now appears to regret),’” the Telegraph reported.

“I was below the legal age of consent anyway and there’s a grooming element to that kind of situation. It was totally disregarded and it made me feel really small,” he said.

According to Siobhán Crawford, a lawyer with London-based Bolt Burdon Kemp, the strategy is usually used when a child turns sixteen during the abuse. Sixteen is the age of consent, though the Telegraph notes that “[f]or adults in a position of authority, it is illegal to have sex with a child under their care, even if the child is 16 or 17 at the time.”

Even so, in one case, the Cambridgeshire County Council, a government entity, claimed a student whose abuse started when she was under 16 consented:

“On her own account the Claimant voluntarily sought out contact with [the teacher] and considered that she was in a relationship with him. If that is correct, after she had obtained the age of 16, the Claimant consented to sexual acts with [the teacher] and those acts ceased to be assaults.”

The victims in these two cases were eventually compensated.

Despite claims from the Church and government that consent was issued, Anne Longfield, the Children’s Commissioner for England, disagrees. “No child ever gives their ‘consent’ to being abused, and the increased use of this line of defence, although still quite rare, is worrying,” she said.

While the defense is rare, it is being employed more often. Crawford told the Telegraph that her firm had dealt with ten cases and that “there had been an increase in the past two years as authorities became aware that it was an option.”

Barnardo’s, one of the children’s charities objecting to this new line of defense, said in July that since the CICA was established in 2012, “nearly 700 child victims of sexual abuse have been refused payments ranging between £1,000 and £44,000, according to a freedom of information request by the charity coalition,” which also includes Victim SupportLibertyRape Crisis and the National Working Group (NWG).

One case in which the victim was not compensated, the Telegraph noted in July, “involved a 12-year-old girl who was plied with alcohol, led into the woods and sexually assaulted by a 21-year-old man.”

“This was because she had gone into the woods ‘voluntarily,’ had not been a victim of violence, she emerged ‘happily’ from the woods and that she had recently had sexual relations with another child around her own age,” the outlet summarized.

The coalition of charities has called for a change in rules. According to a press release Barnardo’s issued in July:

“The coalition is calling for the rules to be changed so no child groomed and manipulated into sexual abuse is denied compensation because they complied with their abuse through fear, lack of understanding, or being brainwashed into believing their abuser loved them and developing feelings for them.”

This is only the latest controversy surrounding the Catholic Church, which has been defending alleged pedophiles and child abusers within its ranks for years. The government agencies in question are also under fire now, too.

As Dawn Thomas, co-chair of Rape Crisis England & Wales, said last month:

“It’s not only bizarre but also inappropriate and harmful that the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority applies a different definition of consent from the law and, as a result, routinely tell victims and survivors of child sexual abuse and exploitation that they consented to the sexual violence perpetrated against them.”

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  • cmb

    guys will do and excuse anything for sex

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    • Frank Energy

      Sure plenty of guilt for guys, but don’t ignore the recent rash of much older females going after their teenage students.

  • dav1bg

    Scum floats to the top.

  • Mike

    gonna be a lot of fire wood come judgement day.

  • Czajk

    Just paving the way to add a big “P” on the end of LGTBQ…

    • Frank Energy

      LOL Pastors?

      • therealzircon

        Pedophilia

  • fishing4truth

    Nothing can hide its evil as well as the human mind. It can be very sick, and no one really understands it. But I am the Lord, and I can look into a person’s heart. I can test a person’s mind and decide what each one should have. I can give each person the right payment for what they do. (Jeremiah 17:10)
    These false teachers promise those people freedom, but they themselves are not free. They are slaves to a mind that has been ruined by sin. Yes, people are slaves to anything that controls them. (2 Peter 2:19)
    That punishment is for those who are always doing the evil that their sinful selves want to do. It is for those who hate the Lord’s authority. These false teachers do whatever they want, and they are so proud of themselves. They are not afraid even to say bad things against the glorious ones. (2 Peter 2:10)
    The Spirit clearly says that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe. They will obey spirits that tell lies. And they will follow the teachings of demons. (1 Timothy 4:1)

    • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

      Hush up with the fairy tales – the adults are trying to have a conversation here.

      • fishing4truth

        Draco, God’s word is alive and working. It is sharper than the sharpest sword and cuts all the way into us. It cuts deep to the place where the soul and the spirit are joined. God’s word cuts to the center of our joints and our bones. It judges the thoughts and feelings in our hearts. (Hebrews 4:12)

        • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

          The word of a fairy tale creature is as fake as the fairy tale creature itself.

          • fishing4truth

            Draco, I see you remain entrenched in your disbelief. IMO: God is wonderful in that way; if you don’t believe or don’t want to believe you have the freedom to reject Him and His Word. As for me and my house, we’ll serve the Lord.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            I remain rational.
            There’s a difference.
            If you knew what the difference was, you’d be rational, too.

            As for you and your house, you’ll serve Bronze Age Superstition.

          • fishing4truth

            Draco… why does my faith in Jesus Christ cause you so much consternation? Your unbelief and disrespect of my Lord does not affect me. Why should it? I’m not accountable for your unbelief. “So I said to myself, God has planned a time for everything, and he has planned a time to judge everything people do. He will judge good people and bad people.” (Ecclesiastes 3:17) If it’s any consolation to you, judgment will begin at the house of God. “The Lord is not being slow
            in doing what he promised—the way some people understand slowness. But
            God is being patient with you. He doesn’t want anyone to be lost. He
            wants everyone to change their ways and stop sinning.” (2 Peter 3:9)

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            It’s simple – proselytizing is hideously offensive. There’s no significant difference between that and publicly announcing the sexual prowess of one’s spouse – and if you don’t knock off a piece, there’s something wrong with you, you immoral sexist freak you.

            No rational person wants to hear you wax poetic regarding your boyfriend’s oral skills. . . or your amoral godling. Keep it to yourself, you sick fuck.

            Why do so few people know anything about my religion? Because I don’t run around trying to throatfuck people with it. Same reason why so few people know anything about my penis.

            Just knock it the fuck off, shitferbrains.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/58fca37d230f2257e7064edd94087afb837bb8bdf2068c5e7099c3e374377ffa.jpg

          • fishing4truth

            Draco, your comments say everything about you and nothing about me or my Lord. I will lift up the Lord before this evil and perverse world. If you don’t like that, just don’t read or reply to my posts. “That punishment is for those who are always doing the evil that their sinful selves want to do. It is for those who hate the Lord’s authority. These false teachers do whatever they want, and they are so proud of themselves. They are not afraid even to say bad things against the glorious ones.” (2 Peter 2:10)

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            You talk a big talk for a pervert. Keep it in your pants, you sick fuck.

          • fishing4truth

            Draco, you’ve proven that vulgarity does not make anything right or true. You’re free to reject Jesus Christ and mock His Word and servant. You can stand on a roof or mountain, shake your fist at God and call Him all the names you like. You’re free to dent God’s existence and truth if that’s what you want to do. Consider this portion of Scripture: “There are things about God that people cannot see—his eternal power and all that makes him God. But since the beginning of the world, those things have been easy for people to understand. They are made clear in what God has made. So people have no excuse for the evil they do. People knew God, but they did not honor him as God, and they did not thank him. Their ideas were all useless. There was not one good thought left in their foolish minds. They said they were wise, but they became fools. Instead of honoring the divine greatness of God, who lives forever, they traded it for the worship of idols—things made to look like humans, who get sick and die, or like birds, animals, and snakes.” (Romans 1: 20-23)

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Put your religion-penis away, pervert. Your fictional god has no power over me.

          • fishing4truth

            Draco… you disappoint me. You have nothing meaningful to say, and seem to have only managed to get your blood pressure up. Your hate message has fallen on deaf ears. Your angry hate hurts no one except you Draco. Keep it up and you’ll have me laughing at your pathetic verbal attacks. Weak Draco… very weak. BTW: Bob Dylan sang it well; “Everybody’s gotta serve somebody – it might be the Devil or it might be the Lord… but everybody’s gotta serve somebody.” You’re no exception to that rule and your hatred will only harm you Draco.

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            Actually, laughing at morons lowers blood pressure. Laughter is the best medicine, after all.
            Only slaves have to serve anyone. Thinking beings do not.

            Keep it in your pants, pervert.

          • fishing4truth

            So you’re laughing at yourself?

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            No, I only laugh at morons – thinking beings get my respect.

          • fishing4truth

            Draco, your nonacceptance of my faith in Jesus Christ is overshadowed by your matchless witticism. I can see that I’m clearly out of my league attempting to dialogue with you. Look after yourself and know that I will continue to pray for your salvation. Best wishes!

          • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

            And I’ll wish upon a star for yours. . . and get the same results.

            Keep it in your pants, pervert.

  • Jeff Smith

    BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michelle

    Even if a child climbed on the lap of a pervert and asked for “it”, it’s abuse.

    • Frank Energy

      Yep, especially for those in position of authority or care. more so for those who pose as also spiritual leaders.

  • TrevorD

    We will probably see more and more softening by Church and Law on the wrongs of this subject. For when those within our Elitists/Politicians/Churches (and above) ever face trials for the very same and worse,they will surely want to know that they too will never be prosecuted.

  • Morgan23

    Talk about marginalizing children…..but then, don’t we murder them at an alarming rate through abortion? Time to wake up to the fact that there IS evil in the world but we’ve become so self absorbed that we are incapable of realizing it. Leave it to a lawyer to present such an argument. No wonder Shakespeare wanted to kill them all.

    • Frank Energy

      Yep, and why are payouts even allowed. This should be serious jail time.

  • According to Exodus 21:16, kidnapping is a capital crime, as dictated by the only One with the authority to determine what constitutes a capital crime. Because every rape, regardless the age, involved a kidnapping, every convicted pedophile/rapist/kidnapper should be subject to immediate execution, per Ecclesiastes 8:11.

    For more on how Yahweh’s immutable moral law applies and should be implemented today, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/law-kingdomFrame.html.

    Then “A Biblical Constitution: A Scriptural Replacement for Secular Government” at http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/biblicalConstitution.html.

    • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

      Hush up with the fairy tales – the adults are trying to have a conversation.

      • Jimmy Yost

        Your comment begs these two questions: 1. Are the adults rational?and 2. Does their conversation have any value?

        • ReverendDraco✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ᵃᶜᶜᵒᵘᶰᵗ

          Anyone who can have a discussion without referencing fairy tales is rational. . . and their conversation is more valuable, as well.

  • slk5

    i guess if a child insists on playing with a tiger, so be it!!!

  • Dale Owen

    Luke 17:2 is still alive and well, You play and you will surely “PAY” a very stiff penalty.

  • therealzircon

    You start by locking up that Francis bastard, as head of a crime ring. This is beyond the pale. Not a one of those priests has landed in jail and the crime should require prison time, not monetary restitution. A child can’t consent, especially when he has a higher authority doing the abusing. What a pack of slimes.

    • Frank Energy

      yep when Pedo-gate was gaining traction, he went on TV and said that reading bad news was just like eating shit, even if the the bad news was true.

      At that point I realized that “they” got the Pope and the Pope was also into it, probably pedophilia. I bet they got him on video.

  • Jimmy Yost

    The whole point of the law to protect underage children from sexual predation is based on the premise that an underage child is incapable of being able to have the mental, moral, and emotional understanding about it so as to be able to make the right decision concerning it and need a law to protect them.