Blacksmith Takes on 9/11 Truthers: “For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT”

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YouTube user purgatoryironworks put up a video a week ago that has since gone viral titled, “For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT” which purports to debunk the argument that jet fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel beams.

He starts off oozing as much sarcasm as he possibly can, to an almost cartoonish level. He says, “Now, I am not going to make any claims to what did or did not happen, if it was a conspiracy I do not care… What I am upset about is the retarded metallurgical things you guys are saying.”

Then he goes on to make claims about what did or did not happen.

He bends a heated steel bar (sans jet fuel) and then says it’s like a noodle so, “Your argument is invalid, get over it” before dropping the bar and walking off camera.

The video currently has almost 7 million views.

One of the top comments with 120 votes came from user TheInnerCosmos:

Boy this jackass sure thought he was all cool and bad ass at the end when he throws the pipe down and tells us to get a job. What an arrogant moron Nice 5th grade demonstration. Your video proves absolutely nothing, other than reinforcing what idiots people are and proving people will believe anything if you make a good production out of it.

Just below that, activist and occasional Infowars reporter Dan Bidondi responded with this:

WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!!!

#1 you did NOT use any jet fuel at all in this test. You let that bar sit in a furnace for a long period of time.. BUT ALSO, you did NOT show people what you really did to that other bar of steel. Jet fuel’s flash point is only seconds where it burns at it’s hottest then the temperature drops to about 800 degrees. Next time you do this test, use jet fuel, NOT A BLAZING FURNACE! I worked for airlines for many years and we used thin steel V beams at the Airport Fire Department that we poured jet fuel in and purposely lit on fire to train new people how to properly extinguish a jet fuel fire. The fire used to burn for a good couple of minutes before we would extinguish it and it didn’t even touch the fabric of the steel nor even weakened it.

#2 NEVER IN THE HISTORY of mankind has a steel building collapsed from a fire prior to this and even till today. The building in Dubai burned for over 24 hours in ragging flames and guess what… It didn’t collapse, a B-17 Bomber slammed into the Empire State Building in the 1950s and guess what?? It never collapsed… So regardless of your little demo, NON of it debunks this. The architect of the WTC even stated the buildings were built to with stand MULTIPLE hits by aircraft. Plus a building doesn’t fall at free fall speed from something like this, ONLY in a demolition does a building fall perfectly straight down in a free fall speed.. ONLY… not aircraft hitting the building. NEW YORK FIREFIGHTERS even stated bombs brought those towers down. It was members of the NYFD that started the 9/11 truth movement NOT conspiracy theorists.. NYFD even had to evacuate building 7 that is not even mentioned in the official report, they were told to evacuate the building and vacate the area because they are pulling (demolishing it) the building. You sir haven’t debunked squat! ANYONE that deals in any sorta way with Jet Fuel which I used to fuel planes long ago, knows that Jet Fuel CAN NOT melt steel nor weaken structural steel beams.. YOU FORGOT ONE LITTLE THING CHAP! All beams in a steel structure are sprayed with a fire retardant foam that would dramatically increase it’s weakened and melting point.

Anyone doubts this, test it for yourself! Again notice how this guy didn’t use NO JET FUEL IN THIS TEST???

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  • hadabellyfull

    this is from were/?
    dnc
    steel workers hall
    tel-aviv?
    total beer brain baloney…..
    all that kerosene heat flew down the street and melted building 7 too.
    jerky boy.

    • Albury Smith

      Why don’t you try some of your “total beer brain [9/11 truther nut] baloney on the Local 40 & 361 Iron Workers who erected the WTC steel and cleaned it up after the 9/11/2001 collapses? They don’t drink your Kool-Aid.

      • hadabellyfull

        thanks-one problem -they do what ever obama and the shit head dnc tells them to;and i will admit now-we are living in jewish swindle-republiCON/demon-IC rat run country now.
        my meaning at best -israel knew about the attack -and said nothing
        more likely -like their past terrorist attacks-lavone affair-uss liberty and the like-they did the whole attack.Your tuf guy union bullshit can go blow the head kneegrow.merry xmas.

        • Albury Smith

          Please visit a Local 40 & 361 Iron Workers’ meeting in Long Island City and tell them personally that they “do what ever obama and the shit head dnc tells them to…”
          Citing a >SIXTY YEAR-OLD event that sparked popular outrage IN ISRAEL that nearly brought down the entire Israeli government, and an obvious mistaken identity incident that’s been thoroughly investigated numerous times over >FORTY-EIGHT YEARS is a clear sign of mindless antisemitism and sheer desperation.
          Read & learn:
          http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/369

          • hadabellyfull

            its very telling were your genetic mindset is.swindle the stupid goyim= talmud books /Sanhedrins are your guide books.

          • Albury Smith

            I’m not the topic here.

          • Synickel

            You’re talking’ trash– you’re the topic.

          • Albury Smith

            Why don’t you try talking some of your 9/11 truther nut trash to the Local 40 & 361 Iron Workers who erected the WTC steel and cleaned it up after the 9/11/2001 collapses? They don’t drink your Kool-Aid.

          • Synickel

            Union Members? They drank the Kool-Aid long ago. So that’s who you are.

          • Albury Smith

            What a stupid thing to say…

          • Were they the ones who found the pools of white hot steel before the precision cut girders were loaded onto flatbeds to be hauled to waiting freighters headed to China?

          • Albury Smith

            No one found pools of white hot steel in the WTC debris during the entire ~8 months of cleanup.

          • Like the multiple blasts heard by multiple witnesses, only you discount the facts that don’t support the story as only someone wasn’t there could tell it.

          • Albury Smith

            How many FDNY and other live eyewitnesses are 9/11 truther nuts? REAL demolition explosives sound like this:

          • Why would you mention what you are trying to disprove occurred? Especially when it was a virtual replay of all three World Trade towers?

          • Albury Smith

            All three World Trade tower collapses were heard from >20 miles away?

          • The only explosions heard from 20 miles away were all nuclear.

          • Albury Smith

            …and only 9/11 truther nuts heard them.

          • They would have been vaporized by them, so no reports would issue.

          • Albury Smith

            You’re silly.

          • It is better than being shilly.

          • Albury Smith

            According to 9/11 truther nuts, everyone who makes sense is “shilly.”

          • You probably make more shilling than all of the others put together.

          • Albury Smith

            No one’s paid to try to educate 9/11 truther nuts.

          • Shills are propagandists, not educators.

          • Albury Smith

            9/11 truther nuts are liars and gullible nitwits, not truth-seekers.

          • hadabellyfull
          • Albury Smith

            Al Qaeda’s THIRD deadly SUICIDE attack on the US in just over three years:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVC4JBjtEE
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0
            From OBL’s 1998 (second) fatwa: “The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God [blah, blah, blah…]'”

      • danp5648

        “The museum hired specialists to perform forensic testing and analysis of two large composites and several smaller pieces that had broken off. Consequently, the museum conducted additional research, analyzing the heat levels that had created the fused material. Scientists determined that, at heat levels in excess of two thousand degrees Fahrenheit.”

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a45e5d95e69af225655a8aefc4771997e66833462aa76f48010f547f4506149.png

  • davee

    I’m gunna heat up this bar in ma forge. Coz I can’t get it hot enough with Kerosene. See, I proved the building fell down! No more questions please….

    • Albury Smith
      • Synickel

        Who’s paying for your trolling– obvious.

        • Albury Smith

          Science is “trolling” to you? Figures…

      • Modern structural “(s)teel is an alloy of (a lot more than just) iron and carbon.”

        • Albury Smith

          Thanks for sharing, but how does that affect steel’s temperature/yield strength curve?
          http://mechanical-marine-systems-engineering.blogspot.com/2013/12/temperature-at-which-steel-fails-and.html

          • Common carbon steel has never been used to build skyscrapers.

          • Albury Smith

            What is uncommon about plain old ASTM A992 steel?

          • Nothing if you are a skyscraper designer. I doubt the blacksmith has ever touched any of it.

          • Albury Smith

            What’s the difference in the temperature/yield strength curves between plain old ASTM A992 steel and the steel the blacksmith was using?

          • That would only be relevant if his had ever been used to build a building.

          • Albury Smith

            Since the whole point of his demonstration was to show the relationship between temperature and yield strength of mild steel, and it varies little regardless of grade, my question is totally relevant.

          • If it varies very little, why bother creating a standard like ASTM A992 to make sure what they are using to build skyscrapers?

          • Albury Smith

            ASTM steel isn’t graded by its temperature/yield strength specs, which vary little between grades anyway.

          • What else is there to grade it on if it doesn’t vary that much anyway?

          • Albury Smith

            Tensile and shear strength.

          • That is why they add fire resistant coatings.

  • Helluva3ngineer

    Carl Denninger made a point of putting this on his site. I assume anyone who responded to him got the “ban hammer”, since he’s a self-proclaimed genius.

  • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

    First of all, if I claimed to be an expert in a certain field and was purporting to use that expertise to debunk something, I would make my best attempt to recreate the environment/conditions which existed in the scenario I was attempting to debunk. It isn’t a very good sell to show up, say “I’m an expert”, put forth a half hearted and weak display, and then simply walk off. Kinda makes me wonder if he’s now expecting a check from someone with something to hide.

  • StevetheHun

    I would make a comment about heat and how folks are using the open air “burn” temperature for their argument and comment on fuels and oxidizers… but nah. Don’t feel like getting flamed by people who didn’t take physics and chemistry.

    And I’m lament how folks are spreading a “theory” that isn’t science and they were fed this false story by controlled opposition to discredit them, but then I’d get flamed as a government stooge.

    So, pretend I agreed.

    • Say what you will and who cares what others think?

      • StevetheHun

        We all need to band together to get our liberty and freedom back. This is just an issue thrown out there by the Elites to divide us. Why do what the Elites want and contribute to the division? This isn’t even important

        Bringing it up will serve the Elites more than it would serve our cause – I wish things were different.

        I’m going to wish in this hand and poop in the other, and see which one fills up first.

        • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

          Nah-save the poop for flinging at the elites! It’s the last and only thing they deserve from us.

    • Another Thought Criminal

      What an odd thing to say. Architects and engineers for 9-11 truth is full of people who did take physics and chemistry.
      Just common sense would tell you that a building wouldn’t fall into it’s own footprint if it hadn’t had all of it’s supports destroyed at the exact same time. For that to happen to all three buildings that were hit by two planes is statistically impossible through a “fire.”

      • StevetheHun

        And when the aluminum in the airplane ignited, yeah, all the support pillars melted at once.

        All the support pillers being close together in the middle of the building instead of on the outside frame as in conventional construction.

        • Another Thought Criminal

          ignited aluminum?
          Still wouldn’t explain building 7

          • StevetheHun

            Three hypotheses on building 7:

            1) failed foundation due to twin towers collapse destroying the support pylons.

            2) fire.

            3) controlled demolition. This is inconsistent with the roof buckling prior to collapse, however. Also, if you’re going to “blow up” the twin towers, why bother with an evacuated building 7?

            My point being, you’ve been fed controlled disinformation to discredit you when you spread the word. The “controlled demolition” story isn’t even essential to the message. It is a parallel supporting argument.

          • Another Thought Criminal

            I don’t see how it could possibly help them to feed me controlled disinformation that 9-11 was a false flag.
            Honestly, I can’t believe you could believe the official story. The dumbest conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard is the one the govt. put out.

          • StevetheHun

            It helps them because you say things that will cause the sheeple to not listen to you.

            I appreciate the insult. That is, however, what the elites want. To me, it is a clear indication that we’re fracked and they’ve won.

          • Another Thought Criminal

            What insult?

          • StevetheHun

            Have a nice day and a merry Christmas, okay?

          • Another Thought Criminal

            Thank you. You too.

          • Albury Smith

            Corbett has mastered this:

          • In what way is the roof buckling inconsistent? Controlled demotion prevents buildings from falling sideways by collapsing the centers first.

          • Albury Smith

            Controlled demolitions also sound like this:

            and leave cutter charge signatures on the steel they cut.

          • Which would explain why they were in such a hurry to bring in the flatbed trucks to haul away the steel girders that had been cut to fit them before the forensics investigators got there, and ship it to Chinese purchasers who had already paid salvage for it.

          • Albury Smith

            “…they were in such a hurry” that it took nearly EIGHT MONTHS to clean up the WTC site, and “the steel girders…had been cut to fit [flatbed trucks]” during fabrication years earlier to make it easier to transport and erect them. PANYNJ, NSF, FEMA BPAT, SEAoNY and other structural engineers examined all of the steel before it was shipped out, and Stevie Wonder would’ve seen C/D evidence on any steel cut with explosives, incendiaries, or whatever.

          • You are a demonstration of the controlled thinking that can see one thing and talk about something else. Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth isn’t afflicted with that form of mental illness. Members of PANYNJ, NSF, FEMA BPAT, SEAoNY and other structural engineers are more interested in keeping their jobs and their lives than in justice and truth.

          • Albury Smith

            “You are a demonstration of the controlled thinking that can” only benefit from asking Box Boy* and his “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:

          • Box Boy has to do research. There are several former demolition contractors that don’t who have come forward to point out that the videos of demolished buildings and the WTC towers coming down do so in the same way and rate of speed.

          • Albury Smith

            “several former demolition contractors” must have just discovered gravity.

          • Synickel

            Nobody, I say, nobody, but a paid troll would waste as much time spewing your trash, but a paid troll. Now, shut up, and go collect your check, you little computer eyed weasel.

          • Albury Smith

            I’m not the topic here.

          • They really don’t have a need for any knowledge of Newtonian physics to know that things fall straight down when their support is removed, even if that is done with thermate and thermite.

          • Albury Smith

            …or even if it isn’t “done with thermate and thermite,” and is simply a fire-induced collapse of a steel-framed building. Read “It Looks Like A Controlled Demolition” here:
            http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/911NutPhysics.HTM

          • What was the source of the explosions under the buildings that were reported by multitudes of people on the scene, if not the cutting of the central core in preparation for the demolition?

          • Albury Smith

            The main source is 9/11 truther nuts, but in the WTC towers flaming debris crashed into the basement levels through express elevator shafts, and in your Sacred Tower 7, ConEd substation transformers exploded when their secondaries across Vesey Street were shorted by the airliner crashes and resulting chaos.

          • The explosions were below the service basement levels and started before the fire got to the elevator shafts. The NYFD seems to have a large number of “9/11 truther nuts” on their force. It is a shame they believed a a lying federal official who reported that the air was safe to breath at the site, and are dying or already dead as a result.

          • Albury Smith

            Christine Todd Whitman did not lie to anyone – the EPA monitoring stations weren’t IN the WTC site, they were a block or two away, and the air they sampled was safe to breathe.
            There was one of these columns in each corner of each WTC tower’s core, so after explaining what kept the building up for 1 hour and ~42 minutes after these explosions were heard, show us on video with audio what 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas sound like when they’re cut with explosives:
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png

            If “the NYFD [sic] seems to have a large number of ‘9/11 truther nuts’ on their force,” please feel free to name some of them.

          • If she was that ignorant, she is even more incompetent as a information source than heinous as a liar. Are you trying to compete with her, or just doing so by default?

          • Albury Smith

            The EPA simply collected and accurately reported the air quality data they had. Care to give me the exact locations of monitoring stations where the data were misreported?
            Even you could’ve figured out that the smoke and fumes from the burning debris piles were toxic, and that wasn’t where the stations were placed. Many of the recovery and cleanup workers opted not to wear the very uncomfortable respirators issued by their own agencies because of the heat, and have suffered health problems as a result.
            You already have WAY more than enough alleged 9/11 “conspirators” without adding Whitman and her EPA to the list.

          • The EPA monitors the air the same way that the Border Patrol patrols the border. They don’t go into the center of the greatest potential threat. They stay far enough away that they can truly say that they saw nothing wrong. The American public are shamefully so ignorant that this works fine.
            I never called Whitman a conspirator, because she has never been anything but a lackey.

          • Albury Smith

            What were the exact locations of the EPA monitoring stations near the WTC after 9/11/2001 where the air quality data were misreported?

          • Where did I that they had? Either they were guilty of malfeasance or non-feaseance in failing to monitor the air quality at ground zero, or Whitman lied.

          • Albury Smith

            You started saying it ~2 days ago with “It is a shame they believed a a [sic] lying federal official who reported that the air was safe to breath [sic] at the site, and are dying or already dead as a result.”
            Once again, WHERE “at the site” did the EPA say the the “air was safe” to breathe?

          • Whitman was specifically asked about the safety of the air at the World Trade Center collapse, and I doubt if she knew where the monitoring stations were, if she cared about their existence.
            You still own me an explanation of what the grading of steel is based on if not its physical characteristics and performance.

          • Albury Smith

            Structural steel is obviously graded on its physical characteristics and performance, which generally have nothing to do with their temperature/yield strength curves.
            “Whitman was specifically asked about the safety of the air at the World Trade Center collapse” WHERE? Did the EPA set up monitoring stations right over the burning and smoldering debris?

          • Of course they didn’t, they weren’t interested in protecting the health of the people breathing hazardous materials at the street level next to the World Trade Center. They knew the environment was going to be trashed, the health and welfare of the people, as the EPA has demonstrated multiple times since their creation, was not their concern.
            Whitman probably never got to the World Trade Center. She was asked and told her lies at a nice clean and comfortable meeting room, just like treasonous bureaucrats always do.

          • Albury Smith

            WHY WOULD the EPA have set up monitoring stations right over the burning and smoldering debris?

          • For the same reason as NOAA would set up thermometers next to air conditioning condensers, to get the most favorable data to support their misrepresentations and propaganda. Common sense would dictate that a monitoring station would be set up in the middle of the street, where first responders were filling their lungs with poisonous particulates.

          • Albury Smith

            First responders WEREN’T filling their lungs with poisonous particulates in the middle of the street; they were only subjected to toxic air in the WTC site itself, and it was OBVIOUSLY toxic there.

          • Albury Smith

            Should the EPA have posted “WARNING: HOT!” signs over the burning WTC debris too, or just sent a memorandum to all of the cleanup workers warning them that the debris fires were very hot?

          • Of course not, because they didn’t and don’t care about the cleanup workers safety or welfare. They are the ENVIRONMENTAL Protection Agency, not the False Flag Attack Cleanup Workers Protection Agency.

          • Albury Smith


            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWVC4JBjtEE
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0
            From OBL’s 1998 (second) fatwa: “The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God [blah, blah, blah…]'”

          • Osama bin Laden never took responsibility for what happened at the World Trade Center. Expressing support for the event is not saying that one was involved, although I’m sure that your statist mindset would never understand the difference. Besides, what does that have to with the price of tea in China, since you changed the subject when I outed your prefered scumbags?

          • Albury Smith

            You “outed” the EPA for WHAT? I’ve already explained to you that their reports were accurate, and didn’t apply to the WTC site itself.
            Your al Qaeda hero denied his 9/11/2001 Planes Operation SUICIDE attacks on the hated US infidel ONCE while fleeing US airstrikes to (relative) safety in Pakistan, and then bragged about them, praised his “martyrs” and Allah, and threatened “more Manhattans” if the US didn’t leave all Muslim lands immediately. What other AQ operative or relative of one has EVER denied that 9/11 was anOTHER AQ suicide attack on the US, their THIRD in just over 3 years?

          • You really need to improve your reading comprehension or your ability to act ignorant, one of the two.
            If there was bin Laden complicity involved in the false flag attack on the World Trade Center on 9-11-01, it came from the Saudi majority of the family, which was evacuated from the United States aboard the only civilian planes that were allowed to fly during the shutdown of all air traffic following the false flag attack.

          • Albury Smith

            The Saudi majority of the bin Laden family isn’t in al Qaeda, and various groups of them only started to fly out on 9/13/2001 after the ATC Zero order was lifted. Once again, your terrorist hero conveniently denied his 9/11/2001 Planes Operation SUICIDE attacks on the evil US infidel ONCE before he began bragging about them, gloating over their “success,” and threatening the US with more of them, but what other al Qaeda operative or relative of one has EVER denied that 9/11 was AQ’s THIRD deadly SUICIDE attack on the US in just over 3 years?

          • All but two of the supposed 19 terrorists that supposedly hijacked the airliners that supposedly hit the towers were Wahabi muslims, none of which had anything to do with al CIAda.

          • Albury Smith
          • I’d rather sound stupid by recognizing the truth about the intelligence community’s creation of terrorism than suffer from the ignorance of getting my mythology from television, even online.

          • Albury Smith

            “…the intelligence community’s creation of terrorism” THAT KILLS SEVEN CIA OFFICERS AND WOUNDS SIX OTHERS, you effing IDIOT?

          • It effectively covered up the murder of seven potential whistleblowers, and missed six others that will know better than to press their luck, again.
            How many Albury Smiths are there?

          • Albury Smith

            You’re a pos. Bye.

          • At least mine doesn’t stink to high heaven because it hasn’t been being nurtured since the early 20th century.

          • Despite your poor debate skills as demonstrated by this comment as well as some others you’ve posted, you do actually know what you’re talking about here it seems. Best stick to this sort of stuff and avoid displaying what a paranoid climate alarmist you are – what you express on that topic shows only how out of your depth you are there.

          • Albury Smith
      • Albury Smith

        Architects and engineers for 9-11 “truth” is full of people who are totally ignored by Gage’s own(?) AIA: http://www.architectmagazine.com/design/architects-shy-from-trutherism_o
        as well as by the RIBA:
        http://www.bdonline.co.uk/11-talk/5020382.article
        The ASCE, NCSEA, SEI, SEAoNY, etc. all completely ignore
        them too, as do the Journal of Engineering Mechanics,
        structuremag.org, ENR, and all other relevant professional
        publications.
        This ~$314.5 million lawsuit over the ~5:21 PM fire-induced collapse of their Sacred Tower 7 doesn’t even mention Gage or his ae911″truth”:
        http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020131204097
        The Local 40 & 361 Iron Workers have no interest in his
        paranoid junk science either, nor do the FDNY’s IAFF Local 94 and UFOA Local 854.

  • doucyet

    So mr. trinket maker………..Each of the hundreds of insulated columns of steel heated to a temperature enough to cause them to fail at precisely the same moment to bring down the buildings straight into their own footprints…brilliant. As per your own demonstration they didn’t bend and fall to the side……..oh no…..they came straight down. Residual heat brought down #7 I suppose……

    Stick to making candle holders and steak flippers Einstein…………………

    • Albury Smith

      Ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
      http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
      If they ever HAD TO do it, you could always start “making candle holders and steak flippers Einstein” instead of embarrassing yourself by talking about something you don’t understand.
      *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:

  • jaguar

    This Retard is a nutjob… The whole building should never of come down like it did..the so called planes hit the buildings high up…there was no reason for them to come crashing down the way they did…NONE!!! People heard explosions seconds before the planes hit…its an inside job…Bush and his satanic friends did it and they also blasted flight 93 out of the sky with missles and missiles hit the Pentagon, if you saw the first hole, a plane could not fit in the size hole it made…building 7 should never of come down period!!! Not to mention it was announced BEFORE it even collapsed !!!!

    • Reverend Draco

      Physics say that the top of each building would have tumbled out of line with the rest of the building and eventually fallen free of the remaining structure – you can see at the instant the falls began, the top section of the buildings started falling cock-eyed, before the demo charges brought everything straight down.

      They announced the “pull” order for WTC 7 on national television.
      It takes days-to-weeks to rig a building for “pulling.’
      Except for WTC 7. They did it in minutes-to-hours – for the first and only time in history.

      • Albury Smith

        “I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that THEY WERE NOT SURE THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTAIN THE FIRE, and I said, ‘WE’VE HAD SUCH A TERRIBLE LOSS OF LIFE, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And THEY [THE FDNY!!!] made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.” –L. Silverstein
        -regarding the term “pull it”:
        “We have never, ever heard the term ‘pull it’ being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we’ve spoken with.”
        -Brent Blanchard of Protec in “A Critical Analysis of the Collapse of WTC Towers 1, 2 and 7 from an Explosives and
        Conventional Demolition Industry Viewpoint”
        http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf
        (check it yourself on any demolition contractor’s web site.)
        Why did Swiss Re, Lloyd’s, Zurich Financial, Copenhagen Re, and at least 8 other major insurance companies all pay Larry Silverstein a total of $4.68 BILLION for his 9/11-related losses if he publicly admitted to destroying his own property?

        • danp5648

          Brent Blanchard says it was a “military demo”

          • Albury Smith

            He failed to mention that here:
            http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf
            The Loizeauxs’ CDI and other blast teams think you’re fos too.

          • danp5648

            Blanchard Implosion World 9/11″ vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition”

            HOW DOES THIS EVENT COMPARE WITH A NORMAL BUILDING IMPLOSION?

            The only correlation is that in a very broad sense, explosive devices (airplanes loaded with fuel) were used to intentionally bring down buildings. However it can be argued that even this vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition than to building implosions,

            Implosion World 9/11 vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition”

            The military was reported inside the WTC 1 and 2 the weekend before..

            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/02/protec-implosionworld.html

          • Albury Smith

            Was this alleged military that was reported inside the WTC 1 and 2 the weekend before planting 767s loaded with ~9500 gallons of fuel and going ~440 and ~540 mph? You can spin it ’til you’re dizzy and Brent Blanchard still won’t be a 9/11 truther nut, nor will any of the FDNY you’ve quote mined for “explosion.”

          • danp5648

            Flashes and explosion(s) right before.

            FDNY WTC North Tower Molten Steel ON Display Thermite Evidence
            https://youtu.be/Vczx8ETKg-g

          • Albury Smith

            Is the FDNY’s Scott Schrimpe a 9/11 truther nut?

          • danp5648

            Is the Molten Material evidence of HTA Arson and an crime and clear evidence? Yes it is..

          • Albury Smith

            Why didn’t the FDNY or anyone else find real evidence of HTA arson, since it’s easy to test for? After losing 343 of their colleagues, don’t they care as least as much as you claim to?

          • danp5648

            Clearly the FDNY were blocked by FBI who also blocked the NTSB and the NYPD.. NYPD 911 phone calls were intercepted by the FBI.. C-span reported BPAT Team that all other investigations were blocked or delayed.

          • Albury Smith

            Yeah; those guys that rush into danger to save lives and lost 343 of their own on 9/11 are really just a bunch of wimps. Darn that evil FBI…

          • danp5648

            The 9/11 Museum hired specialist to perform forensic testing of two large composites (9/11 WTC meteorites) and found heat levels beyond two thousand degrees Fahrenheit.. i.e not formed by pressing down from above and clear evidence of high temperature arson, again NOT pressure..

            9/11 Arson Evidence #2
            Fire temperatures were so intense the concrete melted like lava around anything in its path..

            The 9/11 Museum hired specialist to perform forensic testing
            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-911-museum-hired-specialist-to.html

          • Albury Smith

            Some of the 9/11 WTC “meteorites” had re-bar and other recognizable steel shapes sticking out of them:
            http://s3.amazonaws.com/nasathermalimages/public/images/24912507.jpg
            so “beyond two thousand degrees Fahrenheit” clearly wasn’t hot enough to melt steel. Since it obviously occurred in the long-burning debris fires, how do your imaginary demolition explosives account for it?

          • danp5648

            Not the point.. 9/11 Museum said heat was cause.. Next..

            Les Robertson confirms molten metal in WTC “Little river of steel running”

            Thomas Cahill found fused iron spheres in his air samples.
            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-911-museum-hired-specialist-to.html

          • Albury Smith

            You really need to have a long talk with Les Robertson about the collapses of the WTC towers he structurally designed.

          • danp5648

            NIST was the source of his Stanford talk about molten rivers of steel.. Why would NIST release the video and why would Lesie believe we don’t know about it.. Anyone can show him his own words and remind him but no one has.. BPAT Bill Gross said “no rivers of steel existed” while he’s photographed dancing with HTA arson evidence and metaled I-beams.. Maybe I should ask him for an interview.. A google search for “bill gross 9/11 nist” shows the situations clearly. I just released the Explosion sounds of 9/11..

          • Albury Smith

            Leslie Robertson is not a metallurgist, did not qualitatively analyze the molten METAL, and has repeatedly explained that the collapses of his towers were fire-induced, so you’re quote mining the wrong guy. “Explosions” in burning buildings come from a number of sources, and those who reported them on 9/11 were not describing DEMOLITION explosiVES.
            Dr. JOHN Gross of NIST asked the 9/11 truther nut at UT Austin for evidence of his alleged “pools of molten STEEL,” and cited its melting point. No explosive or incendiary known to mankind keeps any metal molten for 100+ days or even 5 minutes, and no recorded temperature in the WTC debris fires was high enough to melt steel.

          • danp5648

            From the location and remaining debris only Steel remained so from that we can say it was very likely the core box beams still melting even with the flood of water and rain.. You don’t need metallurgist.. Leslie Robertson is also not a arsonist or a fire fighter and did not witness the towers first hand.. He was in connecticut for some reason.. His collapses theory is just myth making..

          • Albury Smith

            So all of the lead and aluminum was dug out first?
            RPT: No explosive or incendiary known to mankind keeps any metal molten for 100+ days or even 5 minutes, and no recorded temperature in the WTC debris fires was high enough to melt steel.

          • danp5648

            Leslie Robertson was told what it was by the iron workers who pointed it out to him as the story goes.. The story of “concrete melted like lava” was also a story on display at the NYPD museum.. So these stories by Leslie and his iron worker friends DO state that WTC center was high enough to melt steel and much much more. 9/11 Museum also reported 2,000 degrees or more.. If they reported temperature beyond 2,000 degree, then a recorded temperature WAS high enough.. Molten molybdenum was also report by USGS and new chemicals was reported by Dr. Tom Cahil.. Paul J. Lioy Dust: The Inside Story of its Role in the September 11th Aftermath..

          • Albury Smith

            Please list all of the explosives and incendiaries that keep any metal molten for months, and all of the Local 40 & 361 iron workers who are 9/11 truther nuts.
            Thanks in advance.

          • danp5648

            Office furnishings claimed by NIST was NOT the cause these lava flows, molten molybdenum sphericals, and iron sphericals to spike in October.. We still don’t have detailed record of the longitude and latitude coordinates of the earthquakes 9/11 or a depth record and the scientific community refuses to be helpful or the details are classified. The Truth community has never asked for information at the level which is required.. They stopped well before asking for serial numbers from the plane debris. All the giant explosive sound were deleted from public record however they have been found again and placed back into the public domain.. The sounds would NOT be so nefarious if someone didn’t delete them from the record.. If someone didn’t do so much deleting and the details like plane part serials numbers and a complete set latitude coordinates were available fewer questions would need to be addressed.

          • Albury Smith

            Did “someone… delete them from the [LIVE] record” too?

          • danp5648

            1010 WINS did not record a single explosion and reporters at City Hall have not interviewed about this issue.

            Why don’t you press play and found out?

          • Albury Smith

            I think it’s nothing short of amazing that people who weren’t anywhere near the WTC on 9/11/2001 know so much more about what happened than the many thousands of people who were right there. How could all of those live eyewitnesses be so dumb…

          • danp5648

            Checkout this video archive of 9/11
            http://hereisnewyorkv911.org/category/wtc/page/2/

            500 stories and more..

            And

            NYPD Special Operations Radio 9/11.

            So far they identified the planes as both 737’s

            (smaller then Boeing 767-200 9/11 Official Theory)

            1. TWA First Plane

            2. US Air Second Plane

            MP3’s

            https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0pxVbXyB9OLQ0dpV3ZUMG1NS3M&usp=sharing

          • Albury Smith

            That’s a lot more testimony than I need to hear. Please identify the 9/11 truther nuts among those eyewitnesses and I’ll just listen to them.
            Thanks.

          • danp5648

            No support for the official theory Inside “Voice of 9/11” inside the 500 videos whatsoever..

            Dino Fratto Voices of 9/11 Machine Gun Fire before and during impact #1.. Did not see a plane #1, south side.

            Jennifer Gass Witness Plane #2 no markings
            Gloria Jacobs didn’t see plane #2

            Most are witnesses to the plane but NONE see flight 175 or Flight 11, 100% of the time they fail to identify the markings, colors etc. NYPD Radio says US Air and TWA.

            No official theory support at all in 500 stories.
            http://hereisnewyorkv911.org/category/wtc/page/2/

          • Albury Smith

            Since AA 11 hit the north side of the North Tower, it’s not too surprising that someone on the south side of that huge building didn’t see it. The fact that all eyewitnesses have imperfect recall hardly alters the facts:
            https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/whattheysaw%3Aeyewitnessaccountsofthenycai
            https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/aircraftpartsnyc911

          • danp5648

            Your witness actually help me prove my case and support that a silver second plane i.e NOT flight 175 hit the South Tower.

            If you recall correctly that flight 11 was a silver plane, however if you read your own links, which you clearly HAVE NOT.. FOR EXAMPLE

            Bob Borski missed plane #1 and was watching the North Tower burn witnessed a

            “That silvery shiny plane, just going right into the building” That should end your idea of Flight 175 hit the tower because it was NOT a That silvery shiny plane..

            Jennifer Oberstein said the second plane was sliver.

            Jennifer Oberstein reported a silver belly plane flew over Battery Park and NOT flight 175..
            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/10/strange-second-plane-photos-match.html

          • suz33

            youre a cunt albury… nothing but a lousy cunt……

          • Albury Smith

            Rpt: I’m not the topic here.

          • suz33

            then stop your banal spewing of obvious bullshit fuck face
            get a real job… youre garbage was boring in 2002

          • suz33

            youre a cunt albury… nothing but a lousy cunt——

          • Albury Smith

            You’re an idiot, but we’re not the topic here, now are we?

          • suz33

            not gullible enough to believe the bs you regurgitate fuckface
            get a real job… youre garbage was boring in 2002

          • danp5648

            1010 wins 9/11 coverage
            All Explosion Sounds were removed or blocked out Example

          • Albury Smith

            MORE 9/11 evildoers?

          • danp5648

            911 Explosion Sounds A closer Look WTC Disaster Study
            https://youtu.be/4FuFROrIwwM

          • Albury Smith

            Did you just discover even MORE 9/11 evildoers?

          • danp5648

            A White House Insider confessed to 9/11 to an entire hospital staff so why are you still here believing they didn’t do it? Do you need more confessions from a larger population?

          • Albury Smith

            WHAT “White House Insider confessed to 9/11 to [WHAT] entire hospital staff”? Do you just LIVE ON 9/11 truther nut web sites?

          • danp5648

            He would not give out the name

            “Lets just say his wife’s blood line rhymes with the name meagan … This gentleman was the consultant on the Star Wars project….Yes I’ll never forget it Dude was part of the Reagan administration.. He mentioned thermite explosives He also spoke about nano technology being used to cure cancer Dude”
            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2014/10/professional-hta-thermite-arson-both.html

            9/11 Another Plane Photo Close up
            https://goo.gl/photos/rc7o1wFEn8GHCsay7

            9/11 Another Plane Photo far
            https://goo.gl/photos/iWJdDPFJ2BGwp5pa7

    • Albury Smith

      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
      http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

      Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology)report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).
      The reasons are as follows:
      1 – Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
      2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
      3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
      4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
      For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else – as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
      Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
      Regards, Dan Nigro
      Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
      https://www.metabunk.org/fdny-chief-daniel-nigros-statement-on-wtc7.t2366/

  • Jet fuel can melt steel if you add some propaganda.

  • LiberalsRLost

    Come on fellas this guy went to common core duck dynasty-u and was so proud…….for a few seconds….. !!!

  • JustaMan

    I can melt steel with my bare hands n no one believes me 🙁

    • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

      I believe you! Please, just don’t piss my way! ; )

      • JustaMan

        Bahahah!!! Lmao!!

    • Reverend Draco

      Good for you, living your truth like that.

      Anyone who doesn’t believe you is an ignorant bigot.

      • JustaMan

        That’s what I’m sayin…LOL!!!

  • davee

    Avgas is what they ran. Not Diesel. Lets stop giving fancy names to Kerosene that has corrosion inhibitor added.
    http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp121-c3.pdf
    I still remember the Kerosene powered Fordson Major Tractor that use to mow our school lawns. Needed pre-heating to start in the cold weather.

  • dee surjourner

    There is one thing even the reporter failed to mention: The structural steel was not only sprayed with fire retardant, the inner structural core was also steel reinforced concrete, meaning the steel was inside of concrete and had to penetrate the concrete before it even stood a chance of getting the steel hot enough.

    • Albury Smith

      “…the inner structural core was also steel reinforced concrete, meaning” that you don’t know what you’re talking about. All 3 collapsed WTC hi-rises were 100% steel-framed, including steel-framed cores.

  • Gil G

    Truther grasping at straws to keep themselves relevant.

    • SP_88

      Straws? You call the mountains of evidence proving that those three buildings were brought down demolition style, straws? You don’t think that there is anything suspicious about anything that happened that day? You don’t find it strange that the news reporter was standing there telling us that building 3 had fallen when you can see it still standing over her left shoulder, about twenty minutes before it actually falls at freefall speed into it’s own footprint? It doesn’t strike you as odd that three buildings fell at freefall speed into their own footprint, from being on fire, one of which was not hit by a plane and didn’t have jet fuel burning inside, all on the same day? And nothing like that has ever happened before that or since then, with the only exception being building demolitions. No fire or any other type of disaster that has ever happened, has ever resulted in one single building falling into itself like that, but on 9/11 three buildings fell like this, and you don’t think that this is suspicious?
      There are so many unanswered questions about how this happened. And there are so many suspicious circumstances and activities surrounding these events that people being skeptical is the least that they should do. And the official story of what happened on 9/11 is so ridiculous and unbelievable that it’s only real function should be adding to the suspicion of what really happened that day.
      The two towers falling demolition style is suspicious.
      Building three falling demo style is suspicious.
      The news report of building 3 falling before it fell is suspicious.
      The intense heat and molten steel at ground zero for weeks after is suspicious.
      The quick and hasty clean up of all the evidence and building debris is suspicious.
      The NYFD, NYPD and other responders reporting the sound of explosions before and during the three buildings falling as if they were being demolished by demolition explosives is suspicious.
      The objects visible under the wing of the planes that hit the buildings is suspicious.
      The flash seen just as or just before the planes hit the buildings is suspicious.
      The people who worked security at the airports and at the WTC buildings is suspicious.
      And there are many other suspicious activities that went on before and on 9/11 that should be thoroughly investigated. Isn’t all this enough to be worthy of people being skeptical? I don’t understand how anyone could see all this and not question the official story. And I certainly don’t see how you could possibly ever refer to all this plus everything I didn’t put because I can’t think of everything or fit it into a post, as grasping at straws. That’s just ridiculous.
      And another thing that I find amusing is how people like us are referred to as “truthers”. Only someone desperate to silence the opposition would use the word truth as a derogatory term. How can the search for the truth be a bad thing? Especially when the official story is such an obvious fabrication.
      The truth will always be relevant. It’s the people pushing the lie that want everyone to forget.

      • Albury Smith

        How many of those FDNY you’re quote mining for the word “explosion” said anything at all about DEMOLITION explosiVES, linked the many loud bangs from random places inside the burning WTC buildings to a LATER hi-rise collapse, and are 9/11 truther nuts? How do explosives or incendiaries produce “intense heat and molten steel at ground zero for weeks after [9/11/2001]” instead of for minutes or seconds? Why is the PAPD suspicious to you?
        You are grasping at straws.

  • Ken, Megapolis

    I am less worried about who, why and what ref them bloody towers. I only ask who suffers the most? The answer is me with all them bloody CCTV’s in all shops, streets, workplaces etc. Then you have to show your passport for ever more reasons these days.
    I know it will get far worse after we stupidly invade Syria eg have to show the passport just to catch a blinking bus FFS.
    The 3000 dead missed out on all this criminal, yes CRIMINAL abuse of the common man.
    You are missing the point entirely if you are still debating fire and steel. Wake up !!!

  • mirageseekr

    The 9-11 argument that ends the debate is all about WT7. Loose Change (on youtube) did a great job of following the money that changed hands that day, I highly recommend seeing it or maybe showing it to some of the sheeple you know that are still in denial. I would still love to see Bush, Cheney, and pals swing from a rope for their involvement.

    • Albury Smith

      Why is Loose Change on YouTube instead of being presented at ASCE, NCSEA, and SEI conferences? Why do Avery, Bermas, et al. avoid FDNY firehouses and Iron Workers Local 40 & 361 meetings?

  • YaRt

    Only one more question for you…

    How did building #7 collapse?

    • JustaMan

      Demolition style as well free fall?

  • YaRt

    It was a B-25 on July 28, 1945

  • Another Thought Criminal

    Was he trying to be ironic and show that it couldn’t have happened how the govt. claims when he had to use a furnace to heat it “just 300 degrees” more than kerosene could have under ideal conditions?

  • SP_88

    He is so not an expert and that was so not an actual representation of what happened.
    A blast furnace is not the same as some kerosene and office papers burning in open air. This moron proved nothing, and he debunked nothing.
    Although if his goal was to make himself look like an idiot, mission accomplished.

  • danp5648
    • Albury Smith

      What did this alleged thermite do? Explain it to the Local 40 & 361 iron workers who cleaned up the debris steel.

      • danp5648
        • Albury Smith

          Ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or your imaginary thermite secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core: http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
          If they ever HAD TO do it, you wouldn’t need any bogus “confession.”
          *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:

          • danp5648

            9/11 Oral Histories 18 Stories of Controlled Demolition Flashes and Sounds
            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/911-oral-histories-search-results-for.html

          • Albury Smith

            9/11 Oral Histories that don’t mention DEMOLITION explosives, don’t link the many loud bangs coming from random places inside the burning WTC buildings to a LATER hi-rise collapse, and were not from 9/11 truther nuts…

          • danp5648

            YES they did “professional demolition”

            RIVERA Do you ever see professional demolition where they set charges on certain floors, and then you hear “pop pop pop pop pop pop”

            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/911-oral-histories-search-results-for.html

          • Albury Smith

            You hear “pop pop pop pop pop pop” when 110-story hi-rises collapse from their 81st and 96th stories. Is Rivera a 9/11 truther nut? Let’s hear the “pop” you get when you cut one of these with explosives:
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png

          • danp5648

            PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA
            INTERVIEW DATE OCTOBER 10 2001 “pops, flashes looks like Professional Controlled DEMOLITION

            http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110035.PDF

          • Albury Smith

            What it “looked like” and what Daniel Rivera now realizes it was are two entirely different things. Is he a 9/11 truther nut? How many of his FDNY colleagues are?

          • danp5648

            “Looks like” was not his quote.

            “PROFESSIONAL
            DEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN
            FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR POP POP POP POP
            POP THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT BECAUSE THOUGHT
            IT WAS THAT ”

            He’s 100% sure it was PROFESSIONAL DEMOLITION..

          • Albury Smith

            Daniel Rivera — Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]: “AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS — do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop”? That’s exactly what — because I THOUGHT IT WAS that.”

          • danp5648

            The argument was “looks like”.. Next!
            Demolition Flashes

            1. S. GREGORY before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought — [it was a controlled Demolition] but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/911-oral-histories-search-results-for.html

          • Albury Smith

            Instead of quote mining Assistant FDNY Commissioner Stephen Gregory and trying to spin what he said, just tell me whether or not he’s a 9/11 truther nut.

          • Albury Smith

            W14 X 730s are readily available:
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png

            Talk’s cheap. Go for it – on video, with audio.

      • danp5648

        FireFighters Verses Active Thermitic Material on Fire Truck

        • Albury Smith

          Visit some FDNY firehouses and tell them they were extinguishing “Active Thermitic Material” on that fire truck. If it was secretly planted in the towers, how did it get into the truck in the first place? Why is it still burning that long after the collapses, or does your “thermite” just keep burning indefinitely?

          • danp5648

            FDNY WTC North Tower Molten Steel ON Display Thermite Evidence
            https://youtu.be/Vczx8ETKg-g

          • Albury Smith

            Do you know whether the FDNY’s Scott Schrimpe is a 9/11 truther nut?

          • danp5648

            Is the Molten Material evidence of Arson a crime and clear evidence? Yes it is..

          • Albury Smith

            Explain that to the FDNY. They lost 343 of their people on 9/11, mostly in the tower collapses.

  • danp5648

    Dr Tori Alexander 911 Dust Test Positive For incendiary aluminum iron matrices

  • danp5648
  • MACCUBBIN1962 .

    The guy’s a sheeple, just like the government likes them! Just out of curiosity, how come you never see planes melt when they catch fire? Aluminum melts at 1220.58 °F, explain that one Mr Blacksmith!

  • hadabellyfull
  • hadabellyfull

    and=https://youtu.be/0-B2J7tp8eg

    • Albury Smith

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6obQ5naNn0

      From OBL’s 1998 (second) fatwa: “The ruling to kill the Americans
      and their allies-civilians and military-is an individual duty for every Muslim
      who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order
      to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and
      in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and
      unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty
      God, ‘and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together,’ and
      ‘fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail
      justice and faith in God [blah, blah, blah…]'”

      • hadabellyfull

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        • Albury Smith

          You’re in denial.

          • hadabellyfull
          • Albury Smith

            This statement isn’t “[calling] for destruction of Christian European ethnic societies:
            “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”
            Your ISIL heroes are driving those terrified immigrants into Europe.

          • hadabellyfull

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          • Albury Smith

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          • hadabellyfull

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          • Albury Smith

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          • hadabellyfull

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  • Barn Cat

    Steel loses a lot of its strength when it gets hot. It’s not like ice that stays strong within a degree of its melting point.

  • Then why don’t the valve and pistons melt when the engine is running?

    • Albury Smith

      What temperatures do valves and pistons reach when the engine is running?

  • Albury Smith

    Have you ever seen an office fire that burned asbestos and drywall, including the massive ones on 9/11/2001? How do fires pulverize either concrete or steel, and what do you think collapses of huge buildings do?

  • danp5648

    FireFighters Verses Active Thermitic Material on Fire Truck

  • danp5648

    9/11 Oral Histories Stories of Controlled Demolition Flashes and Sounds
    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/911-oral-histories-search-results-for.html

  • ccambridge

    The guy did the video at the government’s request. And a blacksmith lol

  • danp5648

    RIVERA “Do you ever see professional demolition where they set charges on certain floors, and then you hear “pop pop pop pop pop pop” [Charges is flashes]

    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/911-oral-histories-search-results-for.html

  • danp5648

    A New 9/11 was Just Announced by The Zionist Pro Israel NeoCons

  • danp5648

    PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA
    INTERVIEW DATE OCTOBER 10 2001 “pops, flashes looks like Professional DEMOLITION

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110035.PDF

  • danp5648

    THAT LOUD AND THEN BA BOOM JUST IT WAS LIKE AN
    EARTHQUAKE OR WHATEVER GIANT GIANT EXPLOSION
    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110308.PDF

    • Albury Smith

      I see no mention there by Koslowski of DEMOLITION explosiVES. What do ~500,000-TON buildings sound like when they’re collapsing from >1/4 mile up?

      • danp5648

        Brent Blanchard Implosion World “WTC Was a military explosive demolition”

        http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/02/protec-implosionworld.html

        • Albury Smith

          Blanchard never said that, and is not a 9/11 truther nut. Protec’s client demolition companies aren’t either.
          http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

          • danp5648

            Yes he did

            Blanchard Implosion World 9/11

            HOW DOES THIS EVENT COMPARE WITH A NORMAL BUILDING IMPLOSION?

            The only correlation is that in a very broad sense, explosive devices (airplanes loaded with fuel) were used to intentionally bring down buildings. However it can be argued that even this vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition than to building implosions,

            The military was reported inside the WTC 1 and 2 the weekend before..

            http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/02/protec-implosionworld.html

          • Albury Smith

            You’re spamming.

          • danp5648

            1-904-555-0004 was the phone number from all phone calls from Flight 11 and 77..

          • Albury Smith

            You’re fos.

      • doucyet

        Did you happen to see the 63 story building burn in Dubai yesterday? Why didn’t it come down? Better steel? Better engineers?

        • Albury Smith
          • doucyet

            Please don’t answer my questions with questions. Do you have any answers? Don’t forget, we’re talking about the building in Dubai.

          • Albury Smith

            OK; the building in Dubai is steel-reinforced poured-in-place CONCRETE:
            http://www.emporis.com/buildings/220605/the-address-downtown-dubai-dubai-united-arab-emirates
            http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/the-address/468
            The OTHER hi-rise that burned this year in Dubai is steel-reinforced poured-in-place CONCRETE too:
            http://skyscrapercenter.com/building/the-torch/344
            What part of that don’t you get?

          • doucyet

            So the concrete acts as an insulator giving the steel fire protection?

          • Albury Smith

            Absolutely. Concrete is also used in steel-framed buildings as a fire protectant. The collapsed WTC hi-rises were steel-framed and relied on SFRM, which meets code but is less effective than encasing the steel in concrete or building fire-rated drywall enclosures around it. Both of those Dubai buildings could’ve burned for much longer without collapsing, but the same design steel-framed would’ve been flat on the ground in a few hours tops.

          • doucyet

            So I’m guessing that the fire retardant thermal coating sprayed on building 7s structural steel was insufficient for the job.

            Which candlestick maker left out of his demonstration.

          • Albury Smith

            “mr candlestick holder” was simply demonstrating the relationship between the internal temperature of a heated steel sample and its subsequent reduction in yield strength. SFRM only delays that reduction in yield strength; it doesn’t prevent it indefinitely.
            Normal office fire temperatures reduce structural steel’s yield strength to noodles, and noodles don’t support the tens of thousands of tons of building materials above them:
            http://mechanical-marine-systems-engineering.blogspot.com/2013/12/temperature-at-which-steel-fails-and.html

          • doucyet

            There wasn’t tens of thousands of tons of steel above column 79 that supposedly failed on #7. It started at the top and collapsed inward. Mr forge guy didn’t use any fireproofing so his demonstration is moot. Normal office fires don’t burn hot enough to heat the steel to failure if it were bare ,much less with fire retardant applied.

            Can you give me one other example of where a simple office fire brought down a high-rise?

          • Albury Smith

            As NIST stated in the Executive Summary (E.S.1.) of NCSTAR 1A, WTC 7 was the first known instance of the total collapse of a tall (>15-story) building primarily due to fire. In massive fires that last for hours, SFRM is moot without sprinklers and firefighting. Normal office fires DO burn hot enough to heat the steel to failure, with or without fireproofing:
            https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/firesafetyengineering%26theperformanceofst
            Column 79 was a W14 X 730, i.e. 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ web, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional area, and at floor 13 supported 34 floors above it. It was obviously incapable of doing that after ~10 stories of lateral support around it collapsed.
            http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png

          • doucyet

            There has been no other collapse due to fire then correct?

            What was the fires fuel source (in an office setting) to burn at such intense heat for hours (without depleting) at the precise locations needed to heat 4″ beams of steel to the point of melting?

          • Albury Smith

            No steel even came close to melting in the NIST WTC 7 collapse scenario, and even a room-temperature column 79 would have worked the same way in it. The (~1800 F and ~1100F in upper air layers) heat from perfectly normal office fires caused the axial expansion of the W24 X 55 [flange thickness .505″, not 4.91″, and web thickness .395″, not 3.07″] beams east of the W33 X 130 girder that was bearing on the north side of column 79, resulting in its loss of support from that column and subsequent floor collapses that left it unsupported laterally for ~10 stories. There has been no other collapse of a steel-framed building OVER FIFTEEN STORIES HIGH due to fire, as clearly stated by NIST. Few to no steel-framed hi-rises have ~47′ girder and ~52′ beam spans, asymmetrical framing around a key girder, and simple 4-bolt gravity connections to all core columns however, and structural steel’s temperature/yield strength curves don’t vary with the height of the building it’s in:
            http://mechanical-marine-systems-engineering.blogspot.com/2013/12/temperature-at-which-steel-fails-and.html

          • doucyet

            Copy and paste Albury. Have any thoughts of your own?

          • Albury Smith

            I’ll leave the reinvention of science to you; my only c&p there was to a reference source.

          • doucyet

            I don’t reinvent as you claim, I think. You on the other hand don’t. You have been taught and learned well.

          • Albury Smith

            You apparently haven’t been taught very much. To address your obvious science illiteracy, please feel free to ask Box Boy* and his “more than 2300 [9/11 crackpots]” to show you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 in^2 cross-sectional areas of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core: http://www.ochshorndesign.com/cornell/writings/milstein-critique/images/8-fig04.png
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
            If they ever HAD TO do it, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
            *Box Boy’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:

          • doucyet

            There is no such video silly boy. You cut and paste scripted reports and take them as gospel without a though of your own. What was the fuel in building 7 that could sustain a fire at 1500 degrees in concentrated spots for hours?

          • Albury Smith

            It was an office fire, and office fires get very hot, especially with no firefighters and sprinklers.
            Here are some more “silly boy[s]” for you to enlighten:
            http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
            http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
            http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc
            The “silly” FDNY chief in 2001 (now FDNY commissioner) said this about your Sacred Tower 7:
            Regarding WTC 7: The long-awaited US Government NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology)report on the collapse of WTC 7 is due to be published at the end of this year (although it has been delayed already a few times [ adding fuel to the conspiracy theorists fires!]). That report should explain the cause and mechanics of the collapse in great detail. Early on the afternoon of September 11th 2001, following the collapse of WTC 1 & 2, I feared a collapse of WTC 7 (as did many on my staff).
            The reasons are as follows:
            1 – Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
            2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
            3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
            4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
            For these reasons I made the decision (without consulting the owner, the mayor or anyone else – as ranking fire officer, that decision was my responsibility) to clear a collapse zone surrounding the building and to stop all activity within that zone. Approximately three hours after that order was given, WTC 7 collapsed.
            Conspiracy theories abound and I believe firmly that all of them are without merit.
            Regards, Dan Nigro
            Chief of Department FDNY (retired)
            https://www.metabunk.org/fdny-chief-daniel-nigros-statement-on-wtc7.t2366/

          • doucyet

            I read all of that script some time ago, very nice!

            What was the fuel that sustained a 1500 degree fire in concentrated areas for hours, long enough to super heat treated steel beams to cause them to fail?

          • Albury Smith

            Watch ALL of it:

          • doucyet

            Answer my question……….if you can.

          • Albury Smith
          • doucyet

            You can’t……it’s OK! Nothing personal.

            https://youtu.be/iEuJimaumW4

          • Albury Smith
          • doucyet

            .gov
            .gov
            .gov

          • Albury Smith

            The same “.gov” that runs the space program, and ~2/3 of the NIST WTC investigators are civilian consultants. Your point?

          • doucyet

            I never had sex with that woman and you can keep your doctor if you want to keep your doctor (39 times). That’s my point. How about the Iran Contra Oly North thing, or the Gulf of Tonkin or the WoMD that Mr. Bush’s guys found. That’s my point.
            But you go right ahead and believe that because the .gov boys said it (or had it fabricated) that it has to be true. We all know government people don’t lie right! They don’t manipulate or deceive. Go ahead and believe that a video caused the “riots” in Benghazi that killed our ambassador and three others. It’s OK, really, I don’t care what you believe.

          • Albury Smith
          • doucyet

            Bla bla bla

          • Albury Smith

            I’m saying that you’re offering straw men and false equivalencies. I will “Go ahead and” believe that a video DIDN’T cause the terrorist attack in Benghazi that killed our ambassador and three others, but intel at the time linked it to the many other Muslim attacks and riots resulting from that video.
            Please also note that NIST experts and FDNY firefighters are generally not politicians, and that even the latter have the right not to self-incriminate in a petty matter like extra-marital sex between consenting adults. Given the newness and complexity of the ACA when President Obama made that statement, it was hardly a lie. The Tonkin incident really did happen but was exaggerated by a commander in the field; it was not an evil gubmint plan. The 9/11/2001 al Qaeda SUICIDE attacks on the US were their THIRD in just over 3 years – they were not a whodunit.

          • doucyet

            So your conclusion is that government officials don’t lie, deceive or manipulate.

          • Albury Smith

            My conclusion is that you can’t read. Government officials occasionally do lie, deceive and manipulate, but Washington DC is the worst place in the world to keep a secret, and your alleged conspiracy involves WAY too many people. How long did LITTLE conspiracies like Nixon’s Watergate and Clinton’s Zippergate stay secret?

          • doucyet

            Where did you previously mention that, “Government officials occasionally do lie, deceive and manipulate.” You didn’t, I read quite well thanks. Lets try not to get personal it distracts from the subject.

            You did (finally) admit it though! Good for you, that’s the first step.

          • Albury Smith

            Where did I previously mention that my “conclusion is that government officials don’t lie, deceive or manipulate,” or did you just misREAD what I said?

          • doucyet

            Good job! You finally admitted it!

          • Albury Smith

            REPEAT: Where did I previously mention that my “conclusion is that government officials don’t lie, deceive or manipulate,” or did you just deliberately misREAD what I said?

          • Albury Smith

            It’s “very nice!” that the FDNY doesn’t drink your Kool-Aid?

          • doucyet

            I prefer Johnnie Walker Black Label. In this case the FDNY is pouring the Kool-Aid (or their handlers) what flavor is it?

          • Albury Smith

            Have some more of this guy’s Kool-Aid:

            Send him a nice big donation too – he loves spending other people’s money.

          • doucyet

            Are you intentionally being a dip s h i t?

          • suz33

            youre a cunt albury… nothing but a lousy cunt

          • Albury Smith

            I’m not the topic here.

          • suz33

            then stop your banal spewing of obvious bullshit fuck face
            get a real job… youre garbage was boring in 2002…

          • Albury Smith

            The FDNY lost 343 of their colleagues, close friends, and relatives on 9/11, almost all of them in the WTC tower collapses, so why would they be trying to fool 9/11 truther nuts? I’d love to see you tell them they’re “pouring the Kool-Aid” to their faces.

          • doucyet

            Governments don’t kill their own to further their agenda do they?

  • danp5648

    Is the number “1-904-555-0004” also Origin phone number for all flight 11 and flight 77 also the Origin Phone Number for “Let’s Roll” call..

  • danp5648

    PANYNJ, NSF, FEMA BPAT, SEAoNY Inside Job Story C-SPAN

  • danp5648

    In certain instances,
    concrete has melted, or has become so brittle as to be
    crushable with one’s hands.
    – In addition to extreme concrete damage, metals such as steel
    and cast iron have apparently melted or eroded in suspected
    HTA fires.
    http://carmanfireinvestigations.com/dl/(Carman&Associates)%20-%20High%20Temperature%20Accelerant%20Fires.pdf

  • danp5648

    FULL SCALE THERMITE TEST

    Shortly after the Carpet Exchange fire in 1984, Seattle

    investigators learned of a series of arson fires in Reno, Nevada

    in 1979 in which thermite compositions known as CADWELD and

    THERMOWELD were used as the accelerants.

    126 pounds of DUWEL, a commercial thermite mixture, was used

    as the accelerant

    462 pounds aluminum powder and various oxidizers, ceiling temperatures reached above 1,100 C..

  • danp5648

    CHINA LAKE TESTS filmed by cbs

    “heavily aluminized” mixture containing ammonium perchlorate
    (NH4ClO4) and some type of binder.

  • danp5648

    9/11 First Responder Survivor Shares Molten Lava Story at Ground Zero

  • danp5648

    Implosion World WTC Was a military explosive demolition
    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/02/protec-implosionworld.html

  • danp5648

    Blanchard Implosion World 9/11″ vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition”

    HOW DOES THIS EVENT COMPARE WITH A NORMAL BUILDING IMPLOSION?

    The only correlation is that in a very broad sense, explosive devices (airplanes loaded with fuel) were used to intentionally bring down buildings. However it can be argued that even this vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition than to building implosions,

    Implosion World 9/11 vague similarity relates more to military explosive demolition”

    The military was reported inside the WTC 1 and 2 the weekend before..
    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/02/protec-implosionworld.html

  • danp5648

    9/11 FDNY WTC North Tower Molten Steel ON Display Arson High Evidence High Temperature Arson Evidence
    https://youtu.be/Vczx8ETKg-g

  • danp5648

    1-904-555-0004 was the phone number from all phone calls from Flight 11 and 77..

    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/09/911-flight-11-and-flight-77-both.html

  • danp5648

    The 9/11 Museum hired specialist to perform forensic testing of two large composities (9/11 WTC meteorites) and found heat levels beyond two thousand degrees Fahrenheit.. i.e not formed by pressing down from above and clear evidence of high temperature arson, again NOT pressure..

    9/11 Arson Evidence #2
    Fire temperatures were so intense the concrete melted like lava around anything in its path..

    The 9/11 Museum hired specialist to perform forensic testing
    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-911-museum-hired-specialist-to.html

  • danp5648

    9/11 Arson Evidence #3
    Les Robertson confirms molten metal in WTC “Little river of steel running”

  • danp5648

    9/11 Arson Evidence #5
    Dr. Cahill found Fused Iron Spheres in his air samples

  • danp5648

    9/11 NIST Release 29 SIPA 211-210 Fireball
    https://goo.gl/photos/G7LPw859ytxW1s3s5

  • danp5648

    9/11 Explosion Sounds, Can you Hear me Now?

  • danp5648

    911 Explosion Sounds A closer Look WTC Disaster Study

  • danp5648

    Marco Rubio – campaign title is “A New American Century”, look up “Project for A New American Century” Prediction Rubio wins 2016
    https://youtu.be/3F-oiK1XaiY

  • danp5648

    SANDY HOOK Shooting Secret BIG JOKE

    • Albury Smith

      You’re despicable.

      • danp5648

        No the BIG Joke is on you.. Deal with it.. Again

        • Albury Smith

          You’re a real sicko.

  • danp5648

    9/11 Another Plane Photo Close up
    https://goo.gl/photos/rc7o1wFEn8GHCsay7

    9/11 Another Plane Photo far
    https://goo.gl/photos/iWJdDPFJ2BGwp5pa7

  • danp5648

    “Lets just say his wife’s blood line rhymes with the name meagan … This gentleman was the consultant on the Star Wars project….Yes I’ll never forget it Dude was part of the Reagan administration.. He mentioned thermite explosives He also spoke about nano technology being used to cure cancer Dude”
    http://911truthout.blogspot.com/2014/10/professional-hta-thermite-arson-both.html

  • danp5648

    The Life of Adam

  • danp5648

    NIST FOIA Release 18 Glowing Perimeter Columns

  • Apolloone

    This guy is an embarrassment, the only thing he proved is that he’s an idiot.

  • danp5648

    Battle for Ground Zero: Inside the Political Struggle to Rebuild the World …
    By Elizabeth Greenspan “The museum hired specialists to perform forensic testing and analysis of two large composites and several smaller pieces that had broken off. Consequently, the museum conducted additional research, analyzing the heat levels that had created the fused material. Scientists determined that, at heat levels in excess of two thousand degrees Fahrenheit.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a45e5d95e69af225655a8aefc4771997e66833462aa76f48010f547f4506149.png

  • danp5648

    “The museum hired specialists to perform forensic testing and analysis of two large composites and several smaller pieces that had broken off. Consequently, the museum conducted additional research, analyzing the heat levels that had created the fused material. Scientists determined that, at heat levels in excess of two thousand degrees Fahrenheit.”

    The tests show that the heat levels were too hot to be anything but one device, a Minimum Residual Radiation Fusion weapon.. You can’t have unlimited heat levels and still believe the narrative. Not being alarmed at this point only means you don’t understand the evidence and how it can only connect to controlled demolition using Minimum Residual Radiation Fusion weapon. Only one video file exists of the ground shaking.. The only reason for this level of censorship is because they (the army) knows better and they know what to hide from the public i.e validation of a Minimum Residual Radiation Fusion weapon. Only one photo of Minimum Residual Radiation Fusion bomb exists under NIST the uncensored SIPA Folder NIST Release 29!
    https://youtu.be/o3-8tKQt3yM

  • danp5648
  • danp5648

    911 Irrefutable Evidence Insiders attacked The Twin Towers

  • danp5648

    1010 wins reporter Eileen Lehpamer is heard in the background of “9/11 Eyewitness” is a DVD by Rick Siegel however recording by 1010 wins did not record any of the explosion Sounds nor does the reporter make a report about the sounds recorded from NJ. Eileen Lehpamer still works for channel 12 news Long Island.. She will NOT respond to any my questions. Maybe you can ask her what happened and if she heard anything ? Maybe channel 12 can make a comment..

    9/11 1010 Wins verses 9/11 Eyewitness is a DVD by Rick Siegel

  • danp5648

    My email sent to channel 12 news Long Island New York about Eileen Lehpamer

    https://youtu.be/MQp-9NSdENM

  • danp5648