Atlanta Business Owner Gives All of His Employees a Gun

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After hearing about rising crime rates in the Atlanta metropolitan area, Lance Toland decided he needed to do something to protect his aircraft insurance business, and his employees. While most businesses owners would consider hiring private security, Toland went a different route. He decided to arm all of his employees instead.

Having a concealed carry license is now a requirement to be employed at every location of Lance Toland and Associates. Due to Georgia’s status as a “shall issue” state, it’s very easy for law-abiding citizens to conceal carry, and within a month every employee had a permit. “A lot of my clients are high fiving when they hear this.” he said in a recent interview “They think it’s the best things for a company to mandate gun ownership and be responsible.”

Fortunately the employees don’t have to buy their own gun. Once an employee receives a license, most of who are women by the way, he issues them a sidearm. Specifically, they all get a Taurus Judge. “Everybody has one of these in their drawer or on their person. I would not want to come into one of my facilities,” Toland said in reference to any potential threats “It’s a 5 shot .410, just like a shotgun and you call it hand cannon.”

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  • BW83

    Other than this terrible choice of issue weapon, I’m a big fan of this guy. Makes me wonder the reason for choosing the Judge. Maybe he thinks it will increase “hit” chances? :shrugs:

    • What could be wrong with 410 shotgun and .45 Colt?

      • BW83

        Nothing wrong with a .410 other than questionable “stopping power”. Not to mention the spread from such a barrel. .45 LC is simply outdated.

        Minus the “shotgun” aspect, anything that pistol can do can be done better with any other reputable semi-auto AND keep more rounds on deck.

        Oh…..it’s also a Taurus, ick

        • Razedbywolvs

          If you shot a .410 at me i can guarantee you that i will quit doing what ever the hell im doing.
          As for the choice of weapons.
          Taurus is no S&W but it’s not a Kel-tech.
          Increases odds of hitting target.
          Large selection of ammo with decent stopping power but not enough power to go down the street and threw a wall.
          Revolver is stupid simple to operate. If your buying a guns for a large number of untrained people who will likely never use there gun that probably a good idea.
          I’m guessing that Taurus probably offered a better group discount than there competitors.
          Plus it’s just a fun gun.

          • BW83

            at the range that gun can even be argued to be effective you’d be hard pressed to miss a shot with a regular gun.

            .410 out of a shotgun and out of a 2.5 inch barrel pistol are two very different things. The judge offers many claims with nothing to back it up

          • BW83

            Now if you want a gun to take on the ranch to pop snakes, by all means the judge would be a good pick. For anything else however….

          • SP_88

            There is a good video on YouTube by hikok45 where he tested the Taurus Judge. He used a variety of different ammunition to show the spread of the shotgun pellets and buckshot. He even use Winchester PDX1 defense rounds. The best penetration and accuracy was from slugs and the 45LC. The shotgun pellets spread too far too fast and have no stopping power. He fired the pellets at a piece of sheet metal air duct and none of them went through. The buckshot went through, but it spreads out so far that you are likely to hit several unintended targets. You are much better off with a single projectile with accuracy and stopping power.
            I would recommend that these employees watch some videos showing people shooting the Taurus Judge using a variety of ammo so they can see what it will do and how it works. Then I think they should go to the range and try it out for themselves. There is no substitute for the experience of firing the gun yourself and feeling the recoil and knowing what the different types of ammo will do.

          • BW83

            I didn’t know Hickok had a video. Box O’ Truth did a test with it and found much the same. Even premium .410 rounds failed to meet the 14″ penetration standard, and shot, well it performed rather poorly both for spread and penetration.

            Slugs shouldn’t even factor in to a decision. If you’re considering slugs for the gun pick up a .40sw glock, or other reputable brand, and enjoy better performance, less recoil, and more rounds on deck. As I’ve mentioned, shot that would manage to hit means you’re close enough you’d have to actually try to miss the target to miss with a conventional pistol. If you are missing, you need range time, not a shottie pistol.

            The Taurus Judge, while a neat concept, is hype. The claims the company has made (muzzle velocity, etc.) have never proven out when tested.

          • SP_88

            That’s my opinion as well. If you are just gonna use slugs or 45LC, you might as well just get a 40 cal, 45ACP or 9mm. There are a lot of really good firearms that use those rounds and they have a much higher capacity magazine. And recoil is a much lower with a semi-automatic pistol than a revolver.
            Another big misconception is that revolvers are more reliable than a semi-automatic because of the simplicity of the design. But a semi-automatic pistol from a reputable company is very reliable. I would argue that a Glock is more simple than a revolver. All it has is the trigger group, slide and recoil spring, as opposed to a revolver which has a lot of levers, springs and whatnot and the cylinder must be timed right so the chamber lines up with the barrel when the hammer drops. There are a lot of things that can go wrong with a revolver. A Colt or a Smith and Wesson is a very well made revolver and is very reliable, I’m not trying to argue that they aren’t, but they are susceptible to failure just like any other mechanical devices. I actually really like revolvers, but a Glock has a proven track record of reliability. That’s why the police use them and the SEALs just switched back to using them as well. They are reliable, but also they are very functional from a tactical standpoint. The low recoil allows for easy follow up shots and quick target acquisition. And as far as safety is concerned, a new gun owner who doesn’t have a lot of experience, it’s a really safe firearm to use. Because it is a striker fired weapon, it won’t discharge if you accidentally drop it on the ground, there are no safety levers, decocking levers, handgrip safety or any other things that need to be practiced and remembered. All a Glock has is a trigger with a safety lever built in, a slide release and a magazine release. You shove a magazine in, rack the slide and pull the trigger. And because of this and the fact that it is striker fired, it is a lot more safe to carry it with a round in the chamber. If you try that with a 1911 you run the risk of shooting yourself in the leg while placing it in the holster or pulling it out. It’s just not a good idea to carry a 1911 or any other hammer fired pistol with a round in the chamber. Even the older revolvers with the firing pin on the hammer should be carried with the pin resting on an empty chamber. So now a six shot revolver is only a five shot revolver. And new gun owners aren’t going to remember all these things. This is how accidents happen. Even people who have been around firearms for decades can have an accident if they do something without thinking about it. It only takes an instant for that to happen, and once the pin hits the primer and the bullet starts heading down the barrel, you own what it does during it’s trajectory. Hopefully all it does is hit the ground or some other inanimate object, and hopefully because you were being safe and always pointing the barrel in a safe direction, an accidental discharge will be no big deal. But if it happens in the house and it passes through a wall or the floor or ceiling, there could be someone on the other side who gets hit by it.
            Things like this can be prevented by giving the right firearm to the right person, and teaching them to always be safe with it. And in addition to teaching safety, they need to practice being safe until it becomes second nature and they can do it without even thinking about it.
            I don’t think that the Taurus Judge is an inherently unsafe firearm that is complicated and requires a lot of thought to operate safely, but I do think that there are a lot of better options, both in safety and for tactical reasons. I think that the Taurus Judge is a novelty or a toy. It’s fun to play with, but there are many other firearms that would be better for self defense. The capacity is a big issue for me. I would feel better giving them a firearm with 17 rounds because in a stressful situation they are likely to miss at least 5 times.
            Statistically, even trained police officers miss many times before hitting the bad guy, especially if the bad guy is shooting back. There is a big difference between shooting at a paper target and shooting a person who is shooting at you.
            I would recommend that anyone who is serious about self defense take a class for surviving a shootout. They should learn the difference between cover and concealment, learn how bullets will travel along the ground or along a brick wall instead of bouncing back, how to hold their gun near their side instead of sticking their arm straight out in front of them if they are close to a bad guy so they don’t get their gun grabbed and used against them. There are so many things to learn so they can effectively wield a firearm. It’s great that this guy has decided to arm his employees with a pistol, but he should also arm them with the tactics to effectively use them and also they could learn to work together as a team to defend themselves against an armed assailant.

          • AO1ret

            No. 1 item to have when you are assaulted… A GUN.
            any gun will do… even a .22 hurts like hell. It will make an attacker stop in their tracks, giving you enough time to GTF out of there?

          • BW83

            I agree, simply stating if you’re gonna go with a gun why not choose something conventional, and thus, effective? Ultimately I condone his decision, just not his choice of how to implement it. Make no mistake, I’d gladly take a judge if given to me but I’d prefer to use my own pistol first.

            Any car will get me where I need to go but I’d choose one that runs on gas/diesel simply for the fact that the infrastructure to support it is there.

        • bill lopez

          45 lc is outdated? I dare you to go get shot by one and then you can open your mouth.

          • BW83

            Strong logic. I can make the same argument for an airgun.

            Modern pistol rounds are superior, debate it all you want but we’re not using the .45 lc in offense roles anywhere in the world.

        • RandyJ/ProudSurvivor

          The Judge wouldn’t make my list for weapon of choice, but I’m pretty sure a .410 slug will drain the air and blood from someone quite handily. What’s important here is his forward thinking and commitment.

          • BW83

            No question on his commitment to his company.

            A .410 slug is a poor choice. You’re basically choosing to carry a 5 shot (or 6?) .40 cal with increased recoil. Also factor in a bonded core HP bullet will perform better against a human target, and hard objects that may find their way in front of said target.

            The only real saving grace of the gun is the ability to run .45LC, but bullets have improved tremendously and it’s simply outclassed by modern rounds

        • Reverend Draco
          • BW83

            http://410handguns.com/410_gel_results.html#Win_03

            Average penetration depth was only roughly 7.5″ (for the “slugs”) with 750 fps velocity from the 3″ barreled version. Not impressed, anemic really. If any other cartridge posted those numbers it would be ridiculed and rightly so, but people give it a pass because it’s a “shotgun”. Would it work? Maybe, but I’m trusting the FBI to know what they’re talking about since they’ve crunched more numbers and studied more data than any of us combined on this issue. Why not instead go for a conventional handgun, shooting proven conventional HP ammo. A pistol isn’t a shotgun and shouldn’t be expected to be.

            I know the Judge has plenty of fans as it seems to have good sales numbers, but I can’t convince myself it’s anything but a gimmick.

          • Reverend Draco

            I tried those Winchester defense rounds in a single-shot shotgun, compared with #6 and #8 shot using pig melons for targets – range 10-12 yards.

            The shot left the melons looking like they had freckles.
            The defense rounds blew the melons apart.
            Granted, a shotgun and a pistol are different creatures. . . but it only takes 2 inches of pen to reach vital bits.

            I dunno. . . I prefer swords and axes, for that “personal touch.”
            But I don’t often miss with any firearm.

          • BW83

            With ya on swords and axes. They’re much more “artistic” lol

      • AllodialTitle

        Sue Your Judge in Local or State Court

        Monday, 06 June 2011 22:47 William M. Windsor E-mail Print PDF

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        Sue your judge! That’s what I do. (This is Judge Frank M. Hull — corrupt federal judge in Atlanta, Georgia. I am suing her and 15 of her running buddies.)

        I’ve learned some tricks of the judge suing trade.

        I am happy to share them with my friends….

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        Sue your judge where he or she committed wrongdoing against you.

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        This is important: It doesn’t matter if a judge is a FEDERAL judge, you DO NOT have to sue them in federal court. Their job is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is whether they violated state law. If they have, then sue them in state or local court.

        Here’s why: The federal judges are hoplessly corrupt, in my experience. They cover for each other. When I have sued the crooked judges in federal court, one of their co-conspirators throws out the case without a legal basis to do so. But it doesn’t matter as the appellate judges will cover for them as well. In addition, the federal court rules about discovery are very unfavorable. In addition, the federal judges have devised a ridiculous system that makes it easy for them to block your efforts at deposing them…but that does not apply in state and local courts when the judge has been sued.

        In state or local court, you have a much better chance of getting a more honest judge, and the discovery rules are usually much more favorable. I have sued my corrupt judges in Fulton County Court.

        I filed my Verified Complaint on May 20, 2011. The first of the defendants was served on May 24.

        Under Georgia discovery rules, I can take my first deposition 30 days after the first defendant was served. So, on June 7, 2011, I will have two Defendants and two attorneys for scumbags served for depositions staring on June 27 (more than 30 days after the first person was served). So, I have a shot at getting discovery before the defendants file answers and/or seek to have my lawsuit dismissed. I have also served Interrogatories, Requests for Production of Documents, and Requests for Admissions.

        My goal is to get evidence that they have that will help me prove their wrongdoing. I am beginning with judicial employees who I feel may tell the truth to try to protect themselves from a multi-million judgment against them.

        I am also deposing the attorney for the crooks who started all of this in the first place and the attorney for one of the judges I am suing. Both have evidence that I may not be able to get from any other source, and I will try to find out a lot of worthwhile stuff from them.

        I’m sure the judges are mad beyond belief after reading the discovery I have requested from their employees and from them. The attorneys have both lied to me today in emails making false claims to try to stop me from serving them with subpoenas. I just crammed the law down their throats as I have long since learned not to believe a thing any attorney says!

        I am taking my wife to the Grand Ole Opry today for her birthday. We’ll see Martina McBride, Lady Antebellum, and Carrie Underwood. WOW!

        I’ll post all of the discovery I have sent out when we get back in town.

        Electronic Filing Scam

        On another note, Jospeh Zernik and I have been hard at work on actions against the courts over the electronic filing scam.

        This is VERY IMPORTANT to all of you who have been screwed as a pro se party in federal court. The electronic filing system is used to cheat pro se parties and violate their Constitutional rights.

        WHAT’S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW:

        At this point, you really need to know just one thing. This may be another way for you to get justice in spite of the corrupt federal courts.

        If Joseph Zernik and I prevail in the legal actions we are taking, it will open a floodgate for others to follow. Jospeh is the expert, and now he’s trained me. Because of my lawsuit against the judges and clerks of the courts, I am perfectly positioned to pursue this now. So, stay tuned to http://www.LawlessAmerica.com for all the detaisl as they unfold.

        The PACER – CM/ECF Problems:

        The Administrative Office of the US Courts has implemented invalid public access (PACER) and case management (CM/ECF) systems in the U.S. courts that undermine the integrity of U.S. court records.

        1. Implementation of the electronic records systems amounted to a sea change in court procedures. The U.S. courts failed to publish valid Rules of Courts, to establish the new court procedures, deemed effective by the U.S. Courts following the implementation of PACER and CM/ECF. This makes them invalid, in our opinion.

        2. The systems enable the publication of simulated PACER dockets, and simulated court orders and judgments, which the clerks of the U.S. courts refuse to certify.

        3. In implementing the systems, the U.S. courts failed to establish a legally valid and publicly recognizedforms of digital signatures of judges and clerks.

        4. In implementing the systems, the U.S. courts established invalid, simulated authentication records (NEFs – Notices of Electronic Filing in the District Courts, and NDAs – Notices of Docket Activity in the U.S. Courts of Appeals), which replaced the valid Certificates of Service, which were used prior to establishment of PACER and CM/ECF.

        5. Elimination of the authentication records (NEFs and NDAs) from public access in the PACER dockets makes it impossible for the public to distinguish between valid and void court records.

        6. Routine failure of the U.S. Courts to docket the summonses in the PACER docket, apparently violates the Duties of the Clerks pursuant to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and enables the initiation and conduct of entire cases as simulated litigation with no valid summonses ever issued or executed.

        7. Routine failure of the Clerks to file valid Assignment Orders for judges and Referrals Orders for Magistrates violates Due Process rights.

        8. Routine publication in PACER dockets of simulated minutes, orders, and judgments, which are unsigned and/or unauthenticated, or without docket number and link to any record at all undermines Equal Protection and Due Process rights. (My argument is that the system has cerated two distinct classes of litigants in court — the attorneys who get access to everything, and the pro se parties who do not get access to everything. I like the position of this as a violation of equal protection.)

        9. Failure to establish valid access authorities for court personnel in CM/ECF enables the publication of minutes, orders, and judgments in the PACER dockets by unauthorized court personnel, who are not Deputy Clerks.

        10. Procedures that were effectively established by the U.S. courts in CM/ECF enable the appearance of attorneys, who are not Attorneys of Record, with “no communication with clients” clause. The practice is common in cases involving financial institutions and government officials and undermines the integrity of the courts.

        11. Procedures that were effectively established by the U.S. courts in CM/ECF enable the publication of papers in the PACER dockets by attorneys with no prior review by authorized Deputy Clerks, in apparent violation of the letter and the spirit of the Judiciary Act (1789).

        12. PACER was implemented with various modifications in the various U.S. courts and courts of appeals, and enables the denial of public access to critical court records (Summonses, papers filed by parties, Judgment Index, Calendars of the Courts, Docket Activity Report, Corporate Parent Reports, etc) in an arbitrary and capricious fashion in the various courts, in apparent violation of First Amendment and Due Process rights.

        13. The U.S. courts failed to publish the procedures pertaining to encoding of actions in CM/ECF. However, review of the system documents that false encoding is commonplace, e.g.:

        Implementation of PACER and CM/ECF effectively established two separate and unequal classes in access to the courts and to court records, thereby allegedly discriminating against pro se filers and the public at large.

        1. Pro se filers are routinely denied access to CM/ECF, and therefore denied access to electronic filing, and also access to inspect and to copy critical court records.

        2. The cost and time required to file on paper by far exceed the cost and time required for electronic filing.

        3. The denial of access to CM/ECF by pro se filers enables court personnel to arbitrarily eliminate from the PACER dockets papers, which were duly filed by pro se filers.

        4. The denial of public access to court records that are excluded from the PACER dockets, and are accessible only through CM/ECF (e.g. NEFs, NDAs), effectively denies public access to critical court records in apparent violation of First Amendment and Due Process rights.

        5. Through all the features listed above, the U.S. courts electronic systems (PACER and CM/ECF) enable the conduct of cases as simulated litigation, particularly in civil rights matters, where the complainants are pro se filers.

        The electronic public access and case management systems (name unknown) of the U.S. Supreme Court undermine the foundation of the Rule of Law

      • Montana Man

        The Judge is an awful choice for concealed handgun. The employer would have done better to provide the employees with the lightweight, easily-concealed Lugar LCR in 357/38-special. Another great advantage of this revolver is that it is easy to use by both men and women.

        • I have never seen a target that wasn’t more stoppable by either 410 or .45 than by 357 or 38 special, but I haven’t seen everything you have, and you aren’t telling, so far. Are men’s and women’s hands different where you live? They aren’t so here, where men and women use the same guns as needed.

          • Montana Man

            What you say is correct, and might be preferred by some users. However, the caliber’s stopping power is not the only thing one should consider.

          • If one is going to go to the trouble of getting a concealed carry permit (which is unnecessary where I live, open or concealed being equally lawful carry without a unconstitutional permit), it would make sense to carry as much stopping power as one could effectively deploy, and deal with the concealability however one needs to. Since women routinely carry purses large enough to conceal a Dirty Harry, if they can’t control something large enough to do the job, they should consider some physical fitness training along with their firing range training.
            My choice was the Glock 19, which has gone on to earn the acclaim of LEOs all over the world, along with every other Glock model. If necessary, I could conceal it with a bandage holster behind my belt buckle, even though I don’t wear belts.

    • Sharon Bauerle

      What’s wrong with it?

  • One has to wonder how many of the aircraft that they insure that they can carry legally on.

    • AllodialTitle

      RATIFICATION OF COMMENCEMENT AND THE REAL PARTY IN INTEREST

      RULE 17 OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE

      By: Samuel Lynn: Davis, Accused on behalf of SAMUEL DAVIS

      March 11, 2010

      Back in January in Las Vegas, a meeting was held with about 75 people in attendance. This meeting

      was our typically scheduled bi-monthly meeting with an emphasis on using caution when attempting

      to do the 1099OID [tax] processes, to be sure in one’s own mind that this method was proper and

      correct and one could defend it. On Sunday, we held a moot court session in which we looked at

      various ways to deal with court procedures. It was a very simple session, just dealing with different

      ways to handle arraignments. While I played the part of judge, another fellow played the prosecutor

      and we asked for volunteers in the audience to come forward and participate. We had a volunteer

      from Hawaii whom I believe has provided the missing link to our processes. As he was being

      arraigned by me, the judge, I asked him to enter a plea, to which he replied, “Your honor, I object,

      [as] there has been no ratification of commencement in the matter and I cannot enter a

      plea.”

      Now, you must know that I stopped immediately, looked at the audience and said, “I have no idea

      what he just said or did but it sounds very important.” This man then took about 15 minutes to explain

      this. I don’t mind telling you that not only was I absolutely fascinated, but stunned by the revelation of

      this Rule and its [potential] impact on EVERY CASE in this country.

      For years, I have been an emphatic supporter of “accepted for value” and asking for claims. We have

      prepared and filed Affidavits of Specific Negative Averments from Rule 9(a) and (b) with varying

      degrees of success and failure. This man and his friend filed a one paragraph pleading in an IRS

      case involving six figures, entitled OBJECTION FOR LACK OF RATIFICATION OF

      COMMENCEMENT. Their friend had been arrested just days after our meeting in Las Vegas on a

      Federal warrant issued in December of 2008, he was incarcerated and awaiting the next moves of the

      government when this man filed the pleading. 2 hours after the pleading was filed, the judge in the

      case called a hearing, recalled the warrant, ordered the man released from jail whereupon he was

      released at a convenience store somewhere in Hawaii! As I have analyzed what has gone on here

      and looked at the rule, the definitions searched the internet for the phrase and just considered how it

      all fits together. It fits perfectly. I will explain in detail how I see this.

      Rule 17(a) Real Parties in Interest:

      “Every action shall be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest. An

      executor, administrator, guardian, bailee, trustee of an express trust, a party with whom

      or in whose name a contract has been made for the benefit of another, or a party

      authorized by statute may sue in that person’s own name without joining the party for

      whose benefit the action is brought; and when a statute of the United States so provides,

      an action for the use or benefit of another shall be brought in the name of the

      United States. No action shall be dismissed on the ground that it is not prosecuted in the

      name of the real party in interest until a reasonable time has been allowed after

      objection for ratification of commencement of the action by, or joinder or

      substitution of, the real party in interest; and such ratification, joinder, or substitution

      shall have the same effect as if the action had been commenced in the name of the

      real party in interest.”

      Let’s take a look at what this rule is saying: “No action shall be dismissed . . . after objection . .

      . for ratification of commencement of the action by the real party in interest.”

      What is ratification of commencement? It is the CLAIM!! No one has a claim in government,

      they have told us that every time. They can’t have a claim; they are neither injured nor

      trespassed. I believe that it this “ratification” is the piece that comes before the question of

      Ratification Of Commencement http://www.freedom-school.com/law/ratification-of-commencement.html

      1 of 5 4/30/2014 2:30 PM

      claim, and if someone alleges they have a claim, then they have to produce the ratification of

      commencement.

      Now, the real test in an alleged criminal matter is that this is a civil rule. According to the

      Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (F.R.C.P.), Rule 1, there is only one form of action, a civil action.

      This is important because 1) all crimes are commercial, (27 CFR 72.11) and 2) Every alleged crime

      has to have “nature and cause”, AND be prosecuted in the name of the people of the state as a [the]

      REAL PARTY IN INTEREST — NOT the “PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF _______” or the People of the

      State of _______, as that is the corporation and is an impossibility. This is where [personal / self]

      study and understanding is so important. If one goes on-line and types in ”ratification of

      commencement” one will find case after case that will explain the basics further on this, but I believe it

      to be a critical piece. I put it out there for further study and comment.

      The last 10 years I have taught the 3 questions:

      1. May I have your name please?

      2. Do you have a claim against me? And

      3. Do you know anyone who has a claim against me?

      Now, we have another very important piece in this process in my humble opinion. As I did, in my own

      case in Federal court in Las Vegas the other day, I encourage each person reading this to

      consider this and the ramifications. When the judge began to tell me about my situation and

      asked if I had an understanding of the situation, I said, and I quote: “Your honor, I object, there

      has been no ratification of commencement in this matter.” The judge looked at me and said

      that he did not know what that was to which I explained as briefly as possible that it was Rule

      17, real parties in interest. He told me that was a civil rule and this was a criminal matter,

      nature and cause, to which I replied and pointed out that there is only one form of action and

      that is a civil action, please see your Rule 1.

      He noted my objection for the record, which is what I wanted, and then in a few moments entered a

      plea of not guilty on behalf of the straw-man to which I replied,” your honor, I accept for value this

      entire matter and proceeding.” The judge then informed me that he had no idea what that meant and I

      told him that [he was presumed to know the law] I was not there to tell him the law. He then held a

      detention hearing and eventually ordered me released.

      Now, much more happened and I will produce another report on all of that episode and what

      precipitated the event, this is about you and how you can potentially help yourself, or others, in ANY

      MATTER.

      The point is this: the objection for lack of ratification of commencement, which is basically the “proof

      of claim” made under oath and pain and penalty of perjury and without it, you and “they” cannot move

      forward. If someone produces or alleges that they do indeed have “ratification of commencement”

      then the person purporting to have the same needs to be asked immediately:may I have your name

      please; and 2) do you have a claim against me? I believe you will find that the person does NOT

      HAVE A CLAIM against you and therefore, the alleged ratification of commencement is no such thing.

      These most important things cannot be separated or ignored. They both go right to the heart of every

      matter in court.

      Now, you also must understand that if you have actually injured another living, breathing man or

      woman, or their property, they can provide such ratification. This is very simple and it is also very

      easy, no more than a couple of paragraphs usually and I will be providing live broadcast teachings on

      this in the next couple of weeks when I get back up on top of things here.

      Ladies and Gentlemen, the Federal government has chosen to entrap me in an attempt to silence

      me. They have accused me of being a domestic terrorist and a “national leader” of the

      anti-government movement. The real truth is simply this: nothing can be further from the truth. Today

      in America, if you support Ron Paul, former congressman Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin or anyone like

      them, (see Secret Missouri State Police Report) you are on a terrorist watch list. I know personally a

      young man who was held at the Canadian border for over an hour because his car displayed a Ron

      Paul for president bumper sticker. Our views of our country, our constitution, Bill of Rights, and

      especially a belief in a Creator or Sovereign Being other than the accepted government, Democrats

      or Republicans, (a shirts and skins basketball practice of and on the same team as my son gives the

      analogy), you are considered a threat to the government and a domestic terrorist. If you file a paper

      Ratification Of Commencement http://www.freedom-school.com/law/ratification-of-commencement.html

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      or document in your own defense because you can’t afford an attorney or don’t want an attorney you

      are a paper terrorist. When does it end? When do you and I, our friends and family, say finally,

      enough is enough? When do we wake up from this financial insanity and realize that we only borrow

      our own money and pay interest for the privilege? The calls to action is now, either study and learn

      what is going on, or as I replied in a recent email, bow down and kiss the ring of the “authority” in your

      life. I have never, ever advocated any action against anyone in government for any reason. I have

      had people asked me to assist them in suing the government for some action that really does deem a

      lawsuit or other action, always declining to assist. The real question is this,” what is so terrifying about

      these three words: “accept for value”?” Now we have added three more words, “ratification of

      commencement”.

      Good luck America, may God bless us all.

      Discover the words:

      Ratification: wikipedia / reference.com

      Commencement: reference.com

      For more information see:

      Howard Freeman: The UCC Connection

      Jim Rivers and Obie-One: Kanobi — The Nature of a Remedy

  • When curiosity drove me to look up the “Dick Cheney hunting incident,” I found, at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident, “

    • AllodialTitle

      RATIFICATION OF COMMENCEMENT AND THE REAL PARTY IN INTEREST

      RULE 17 OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE

      By: Samuel Lynn: Davis, Accused on behalf of SAMUEL DAVIS

      March 11, 2010

      Back in January in Las Vegas, a meeting was held with about 75 people in attendance. This meeting

      was our typically scheduled bi-monthly meeting with an emphasis on using caution when attempting

      to do the 1099OID [tax] processes, to be sure in one’s own mind that this method was proper and

      correct and one could defend it. On Sunday, we held a moot court session in which we looked at

      various ways to deal with court procedures. It was a very simple session, just dealing with different

      ways to handle arraignments. While I played the part of judge, another fellow played the prosecutor

      and we asked for volunteers in the audience to come forward and participate. We had a volunteer

      from Hawaii whom I believe has provided the missing link to our processes. As he was being

      arraigned by me, the judge, I asked him to enter a plea, to which he replied, “Your honor, I object,

      [as] there has been no ratification of commencement in the matter and I cannot enter a

      plea.”

      Now, you must know that I stopped immediately, looked at the audience and said, “I have no idea

      what he just said or did but it sounds very important.” This man then took about 15 minutes to explain

      this. I don’t mind telling you that not only was I absolutely fascinated, but stunned by the revelation of

      this Rule and its [potential] impact on EVERY CASE in this country.

      For years, I have been an emphatic supporter of “accepted for value” and asking for claims. We have

      prepared and filed Affidavits of Specific Negative Averments from Rule 9(a) and (b) with varying

      degrees of success and failure. This man and his friend filed a one paragraph pleading in an IRS

      case involving six figures, entitled OBJECTION FOR LACK OF RATIFICATION OF

      COMMENCEMENT. Their friend had been arrested just days after our meeting in Las Vegas on a

      Federal warrant issued in December of 2008, he was incarcerated and awaiting the next moves of the

      government when this man filed the pleading. 2 hours after the pleading was filed, the judge in the

      case called a hearing, recalled the warrant, ordered the man released from jail whereupon he was

      released at a convenience store somewhere in Hawaii! As I have analyzed what has gone on here

      and looked at the rule, the definitions searched the internet for the phrase and just considered how it

      all fits together. It fits perfectly. I will explain in detail how I see this.

      Rule 17(a) Real Parties in Interest:

      “Every action shall be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest. An

      executor, administrator, guardian, bailee, trustee of an express trust, a party with whom

      or in whose name a contract has been made for the benefit of another, or a party

      authorized by statute may sue in that person’s own name without joining the party for

      whose benefit the action is brought; and when a statute of the United States so provides,

      an action for the use or benefit of another shall be brought in the name of the

      United States. No action shall be dismissed on the ground that it is not prosecuted in the

      name of the real party in interest until a reasonable time has been allowed after

      objection for ratification of commencement of the action by, or joinder or

      substitution of, the real party in interest; and such ratification, joinder, or substitution

      shall have the same effect as if the action had been commenced in the name of the

      real party in interest.”

      Let’s take a look at what this rule is saying: “No action shall be dismissed . . . after objection . .

      . for ratification of commencement of the action by the real party in interest.”

      What is ratification of commencement? It is the CLAIM!! No one has a claim in government,

      they have told us that every time. They can’t have a claim; they are neither injured nor

      trespassed. I believe that it this “ratification” is the piece that comes before the question of

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      1 of 5 4/30/2014 2:30 PM

      claim, and if someone alleges they have a claim, then they have to produce the ratification of

      commencement.

      Now, the real test in an alleged criminal matter is that this is a civil rule. According to the

      Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (F.R.C.P.), Rule 1, there is only one form of action, a civil action.

      This is important because 1) all crimes are commercial, (27 CFR 72.11) and 2) Every alleged crime

      has to have “nature and cause”, AND be prosecuted in the name of the people of the state as a [the]

      REAL PARTY IN INTEREST — NOT the “PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF _______” or the People of the

      State of _______, as that is the corporation and is an impossibility. This is where [personal / self]

      study and understanding is so important. If one goes on-line and types in ”ratification of

      commencement” one will find case after case that will explain the basics further on this, but I believe it

      to be a critical piece. I put it out there for further study and comment.

      The last 10 years I have taught the 3 questions:

      1. May I have your name please?

      2. Do you have a claim against me? And

      3. Do you know anyone who has a claim against me?

      Now, we have another very important piece in this process in my humble opinion. As I did, in my own

      case in Federal court in Las Vegas the other day, I encourage each person reading this to

      consider this and the ramifications. When the judge began to tell me about my situation and

      asked if I had an understanding of the situation, I said, and I quote: “Your honor, I object, there

      has been no ratification of commencement in this matter.” The judge looked at me and said

      that he did not know what that was to which I explained as briefly as possible that it was Rule

      17, real parties in interest. He told me that was a civil rule and this was a criminal matter,

      nature and cause, to which I replied and pointed out that there is only one form of action and

      that is a civil action, please see your Rule 1.

      He noted my objection for the record, which is what I wanted, and then in a few moments entered a

      plea of not guilty on behalf of the straw-man to which I replied,” your honor, I accept for value this

      entire matter and proceeding.” The judge then informed me that he had no idea what that meant and I

      told him that [he was presumed to know the law] I was not there to tell him the law. He then held a

      detention hearing and eventually ordered me released.

      Now, much more happened and I will produce another report on all of that episode and what

      precipitated the event, this is about you and how you can potentially help yourself, or others, in ANY

      MATTER.

      The point is this: the objection for lack of ratification of commencement, which is basically the “proof

      of claim” made under oath and pain and penalty of perjury and without it, you and “they” cannot move

      forward. If someone produces or alleges that they do indeed have “ratification of commencement”

      then the person purporting to have the same needs to be asked immediately:may I have your name

      please; and 2) do you have a claim against me? I believe you will find that the person does NOT

      HAVE A CLAIM against you and therefore, the alleged ratification of commencement is no such thing.

      These most important things cannot be separated or ignored. They both go right to the heart of every

      matter in court.

      Now, you also must understand that if you have actually injured another living, breathing man or

      woman, or their property, they can provide such ratification. This is very simple and it is also very

      easy, no more than a couple of paragraphs usually and I will be providing live broadcast teachings on

      this in the next couple of weeks when I get back up on top of things here.

      Ladies and Gentlemen, the Federal government has chosen to entrap me in an attempt to silence

      me. They have accused me of being a domestic terrorist and a “national leader” of the

      anti-government movement. The real truth is simply this: nothing can be further from the truth. Today

      in America, if you support Ron Paul, former congressman Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin or anyone like

      them, (see Secret Missouri State Police Report) you are on a terrorist watch list. I know personally a

      young man who was held at the Canadian border for over an hour because his car displayed a Ron

      Paul for president bumper sticker. Our views of our country, our constitution, Bill of Rights, and

      especially a belief in a Creator or Sovereign Being other than the accepted government, Democrats

      or Republicans, (a shirts and skins basketball practice of and on the same team as my son gives the

      analogy), you are considered a threat to the government and a domestic terrorist. If you file a paper

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      2 of 5 4/30/2014 2:30 PM

      or document in your own defense because you can’t afford an attorney or don’t want an attorney you

      are a paper terrorist. When does it end? When do you and I, our friends and family, say finally,

      enough is enough? When do we wake up from this financial insanity and realize that we only borrow

      our own money and pay interest for the privilege? The calls to action is now, either study and learn

      what is going on, or as I replied in a recent email, bow down and kiss the ring of the “authority” in your

      life. I have never, ever advocated any action against anyone in government for any reason. I have

      had people asked me to assist them in suing the government for some action that really does deem a

      lawsuit or other action, always declining to assist. The real question is this,” what is so terrifying about

      these three words: “accept for value”?” Now we have added three more words, “ratification of

      commencement”.

      Good luck America, may God bless us all. ljdflkdsnfkladsfklasnd;f

      Discover the words:

      Ratification: wikipedia / reference.com

      Commencement: reference.com

      For more information see:

      Howard Freeman: The UCC Connection

      Jim Rivers and Obie-One: Kanobi — The Nature of a Remedy

  • farmgirl

    What a great idea! Hope all the crooks read about this place and know to avoid it.

    • Tatiana Covington

      No… have them come running to places like this, and get blown away in DIY eugenics!

  • Tatiana Covington

    Now that’s my kind of business owner.

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  • Jim

    Great idea. About the Taurus Judge, somebody pulls that on you, you would be best to think twice.

  • Razedbywolvs

    I have been trying to talk my boss into night vision goggles. He likes the idea but not the price.

    • BW83

      My pitch for thermal devices got shut down as well. Apparently the hospital thinks thermometers work just fine for checking patient temperatures lol

      On a positive note they are getting tasers though. I was shocked to say the least! (Ba dum!)

      • Razedbywolvs

        I wish i had a excuse 1/2 that good.

  • bill lopez

    And compare this to California where you can’t purchase a Tarus Judge because it’s illegal to own one in the State.

    Fuck I hate living in California…

    • I wouldn’t let scribbles and dick-tates ever prevent me from owning what I want to, f-them just don’t be stupid about it.

  • Dunno y

    Can’t comprehend guns in burbs guns at schools guns at workplace. Conditioning here doesn’t vision it at all. Not that we like it either. Those rights were took from us years ago. We are used to it. Casual rheteric has been a treat thanks. Keep your powder dry. All we got is the local old age nurseing home nappies to throw at em.

  • Ezra Pound

    The Judge is indeed a good self-defense weapon, but God help any poor bystander who is next to or behind the target. Unless you’re shooting slugs, anyone standing around the target is going to get peppered with shot.

    • BW83

      Which makes it a poor defense weapon. 2.5″ shot shells don’t pack enough pellets to be able to spare misses.

      Highly unlikely to over penetrate though seeing not one ammo have ever shown greater than the minimum 14″ standard of penetration from the 2.5″ barrel.

      • Ezra Pound

        Well la dee da!

  • Mike

    Bravo for him. The judge can shoot the colt 45 round and the 410 round. The 410 self defense round has 3 balls in it, so one shot = 3 hits. bad guy goes bye bye.

  • Jack Yates

    I’ve not tried the Judge, But I feel that the spin imparted by the rifling in the barrel would cause centrifugal force to bear on the .410 shot pack and scatter it everywhere but in front of the mouth of the barrel

  • Public_Citizen

    Reading the comments below I can’t help noticing that there is a lot of discussion on “stopping power”.
    That isn’t the point on using something like the Taurus Judge as the standard issue firearm for this situation.
    What is the concern is ~Deterrence Value~. Any sensible person seeing the equivalent of a hand held water pipe pointed in their direction is going to think twice about causing that thing to go “boom”. Those who don’t think are going to start thinking as soon as the first load of pellets hits them, probably in multiple body parts.
    These are being issued to people who are most likely not going to put in a lot of range time to maintain proficiency. The need for a “point and click” firearm with a high likelihood of covering the target while being held in a possibly nervous and wobbly hand is high, as is the concern of something that will likely be less than lethal in case of scatter that hits a nearby innocent.

    There are a lot of people who aren’t firearms mavens that would look favorably upon carrying something such as a firearm similar to the one under discussion when they would have serious concerns about carrying what would be preffered by the enthusiast.

  • Ken, Megapolis

    I would prefer a slightly larger annual bonus you know. Should I choose to spend it on dangerous firearms I face certain CONSEQUENCES. I would probably spend the unexpected windfall on whisky . . . but ye didnae need me tae tell yous that LOL.
    Then my problems have only just begun.
    So help me God.